but they occured on different dates & are, normally, remembered seperately ...It’s like saying on the anniversary of Hillsborough “yeah, it was a tragedy but what about Heysel and Bradford?”
…....apart from yesterdays point gained at Burton & the tragic event of twenty years ago...
we should remember how the US in A effected regime change in Chile, on the 11th September 1973, in their usual manner, "helping" a coup d'etat which removed the elected President Allende, & his socialist coalition government, & "gifting" the country with the 17 year dictatorship of Pinochet …...
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/allende-dies-in-coup
Really feeling less and less inclined to engage in political debate on here these days. It seems the board has become more right-wing than ever in recent times and tbh I have lots of far more interesting things to do with my time then depress myself by reading and responding to their bile.
Spot on.but they occured on different dates & are, normally, remembered seperately ...
I don’t think the board is becoming more right wing. The usual suspects say the usual things across the spectrum and we’re all tempted to label those who disagree with us as a something or other. I’m pretty impressed by how even when we get steamed and ratty, we all get back to talking to each other pretty quickly.
It may be a conceit, but I do not like being asked to confirm, affirm, or declare anything about me or my thoughts. It rankles and feels like a test or request to conform. It pushes me in the opposite direction. I say what I say and let others judge.
From the point of view of keeping an eye on the prize, I value speaking out less than you do.
Instead you tell us that your family is mixed race! Well then, you should know about racism
I take Gilles original point about the same date, and whatabouterry is not always inappropriate. I have my own views on the 9-11 wallowing, especially over here where it is being used to contrast a united past with a divided present from right, left and centre. However, I’d respectfully suggest that the former in its one-day horror is worth marking out and letting stand alone.
My wife's mixed race , but you still like to lable me as a racist.
I agree that with you about, "the usual suspects saying the usual things", but I've sensed that in recent months it's not been just the usual suspects. There seems to be a few new additions to the board (or at least, if not newly joined, then posting more often recently) who are expressing right-wing opinions.
Not only that but, as far as I'm concerned, the "usual suspects" on the right have been more vocal lately. Perhaps because they have been emboldened by the fact that this country has a right-wing government and that there currently seems to be little opposition to it?
I don't know why, but whatever the reason it does seem to me that the balance on here has tilted to the right. It's by no means an echo chamber, and you're spot on about us all getting back to talking to each other soon enough (but that's cos we're all Gills, ain't it?!). So the place is far from dead to me. I ain't leaving. Not yet, anyway!
I just wish that more people would speak out against the racism and hatred. I feel certain in my heart that there are lots of posters on here who don't like it but who don't speak out against it because they simply don't want to get involved.
It's a bit like what I was talking to you the other day about. I feel sure you're an anti-racist but you won't come out and say so. Why not?! Instead you tell us that your family is mixed race! Well then, you should know about racism. You should be an anti-racist and you shouldn't be ashamed to say you are.
Spot on JM, I object to being told "what I am". Buddha said on another thread "Failing to adopt a position of anti-racism and speak out against racists has now become (where it wasn't before) a signal that you're really a racist."It may be a conceit, but I do not like being asked to confirm, affirm, or declare anything about me or my thoughts. It rankles and feels like a test or request to conform. It pushes me in the opposite direction. I say what I say and let others judge.
From the point of view of keeping an eye on the prize, I value speaking out less than you do.
and what about the moths ...Yes, but who are the caterpillars and who are the butterflies, and who gets to say? And, of course. while we all "other," we should feel bad about it as we do it.