Legalising Drugs

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It seems that America is undergoing a state by state legalisation of cannabis. It seems that there is popular support for the legalisation of cannabis in Europe too.

So how far should the legalisation go? Should all drugs be legalised? Where should the line be drawn?
 
Depends which angle you look at it from.

Legalise it and perhaps the 'glamour' is removed from these drug barons etc, specially if they have to start paying tax on their earnings.....

Some drugs have been proved to be medicinal, easing pain etc etc.... those should be considered first in a controlled environment.

 
Should not be a criminal offence for possession of drugs.

Heroin and other highly additive drugs should be made available on prescription, this would stop the petty crime and overdoses. People get addicted to things, they then need help. Heroin addicts are at their worst when they need a fix, this is when the OAP muggings start. Could easily be avoided.

I would say 50% of all the heroin addicts I knew from school are now dead, all from overdoses, again this could have been avoided with a regulated clean supply for these people.

The cannabis debate riles me, yes some people who smoke cannabis go mental, but why do they continue using something that does not agree with them? Is that the fault of the cannabis or the users? Exactly the same with alcohol, some people cant handle their booze, yet they still do it. The damage caused then is ten fold of cannabis.

Imagine if alcohol was illegal, we would all be drinking 80% moonshine with all sorts of other fillers/crap in it (similar to the current illegal drugs nowadays). You would soon see which is the more evil of the 2. You only have to have to compare 100% pure MDMA/Cocaine with the 'street bought' equivalent to see where i'm coming from.

I know people who have never touched drugs but ended up in a mental hospital....Some people are just crazy, you only have to people watch out of a look coffee shop window for 5 mins to see how many nutters are walking around arguing with themselves. We are human, some of us are a bit mental. I bet you any money, if they had smoked cannabis just once, it would be the cannabis' fault ?

For the record, I am a bit one sided on the pro cannabis debate as I've been a heavy user for over 15 years now. I feel fine, if anything it's moulded me into the person I am today, and I'm happy with that person.

I like to get home from a hard days work...beer, joint, music. Cant think of many betters ways to unwind? But apparently im a bloody criminal and a drain on society !!!

I have not really witnessed any side effects, apart from not having dreams?? If i stop using, i suffer mild insomnia for 2-3 days, but my dreams return, and I smoke a hell of a lot of cigarettes and drink more beer, this is legal though even if more damaging to my health !!!

Yes i have some mood swings, but so does everyone now and again....it's called being 'happy' or being 'angry'. One things for sure, i am not angry when stoned......stupid and immature maybe, but that's hardly a negative thing!

I'd like to think i'd knock it on the head when/if I have kids etc but that's for another part of my life. I will have responsibility then and my life wont revolve around me anymore.

Sorry where was I again ? Started waffling some stoner bullshit as usual LOL
 
Think simont has covered it for me.

NO point criminalising people for possession, some actually need help and won't try to get it because of the fear of prison. It does not solve the problem. Prescribe, sort quality properly (ie what people buy is often cut with all sorts of alarming and horrible things) and control and try to help users.

This does not mean I want drugs encouraged, people to feel it is easy to have them etc, but I don't believe in this prohibition, it leads to gangsters and drug wars, cartels, and all sorts of dodgy people peddling all sorts of dodgy things.

YES the ideal world no one would take anything, including drink and fags, but this is not an ideal world and ever since man appeared on this little old planet, they've found and taken things to get high!
 
simont123 - 5/3/2015 10:22

I know people who have never touched drugs but ended up in a mental hospital....Some people are just crazy, you only have to people watch out of a look coffee shop window for 5 mins to see how many nutters are walking around arguing with themselves. We are human, some of us are a bit mental. I bet you any money, if they had smoked cannabis just once, it would be the cannabis' fault ?
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:1: :1: :1: :1: :1: F*cking spot on mate, there was one such person on that cannabis on trial debate, he looked a right idiot, blamed the weed for all his ills, it got the blame off him in his mind and gave him a sob story to milk for attention, which is the vogue these days. By all indications he was a tosser before he touched it, but no no his mind turned it around that he was a sweet innocent who was turned evil by this plant.

People have got to remember that to get drugs you have to be a bit of a rebel, and get to know some real criminals to score off regularly, so before you start regular recreational use you are not exactly an angel in the first place, the reason for starting is that you don't feel like life is great enough without taking something to make you feel good, but no, let's blame the plant and get a sob story out of it wahhhhhhhhhh. Good job alcohol is illegal, wouldn't want those crazy reefer people turning to that afterwards, that won't do them any good either, oh wait.
 
I am not pro any drug use now, including alcohol cos of where my life has been. However stepping out of the box for a minute, if drugs were legalized at least we would know what was in it.

The problem I have been told with drugs is it easy for dealers to wean people, without them knowing onto stronger stuff.

Anyway we all know various 'illegal' drugs have properties in them that are used in controlled environments such as in dentistry with the damn needle, anesthetics and so on.

Some people get addicted, some don't. Hard for those who become addicted to get clean and sober. Having been their myself I understand it all too well.

I think genetic makeup comes into addiction for those who or don't, from what I have seen
 
Totally Kefkat. I can give you some examples of that, I have been sold weed before that was covered in sand (I sh*t you not) it hadn't come from a desert, some unscrupulous soul just decided to try and make it weigh more, so like how they cut cocaine down to about 2 % purity with baby laxative, this guy decided to cut my weed with some sand to make it worth more.

That's not the worst, another time I bought some that was sprayed with deicer for cars, to make it look crystally and better quality, I can't imagine what that does, luckily the guy gave me my money back, it wasn't him who did it and would have to face the customers he sold it to, it was further up the chain that happened.

And finally the sad story, I knew a lad who had mild learning difficulties, the nicest lad you ever met who would do anything for you. He smoked weed, never had a problem with it, it made him happy and giggly and was really much better than him getting drunk. One time he went to a dealer to get some weed (that's all he did and wanted to do, weed) the guy gave him a bag and he went home, when he got home he saw that it wasn't weed, it was what he later found out was heroin, he couldn't take it back, and had just paid 20 quid for it, so he tried it. He then got into heroin and a couple of years later he was dead of an over dose, I went to his funeral, he was 23.
 
We treat petty crime in this country as some sort of evil that is ready to destroy us, when most people with drug problems have them because of underlying issues in their lives. Yet we allow bankers to wonder around driving expensive cars, gaining massive bonuses while helping to cripple our economy. The money used to bail out the banks was the equivalent of £24'000 FOR EVERY SINGLE HOUSEHOLD IN THE UK!!

Legalisation of drugs means regulation, cannabis could be made widely available, it would invigorate some parts of towns and city's as cafe's could be created, meaning more jobs. Class A drugs should not be made legal, but it should not be illegal for people to use them. With the extra tax revenue there could be more treatment centres created, again creating more jobs, for the population, if you were running a business you would make this happen, it will improve peoples living standards, I'm not sure that anyone in Whitehall gets that sadly!
 
thefacehead - 5/3/2015 13:55

We treat petty crime in this country as some sort of evil that is ready to destroy us, when most people with drug problems have them because of underlying issues in their lives. Yet we allow bankers to wonder around driving expensive cars, gaining massive bonuses while helping to cripple our economy. The money used to bail out the banks was the equivalent of £24'000 FOR EVERY SINGLE HOUSEHOLD IN THE UK!!

Legalisation of drugs means regulation, cannabis could be made widely available, it would invigorate some parts of towns and city's as cafe's could be created, meaning more jobs. Class A drugs should not be made legal, but it should not be illegal for people to use them. With the extra tax revenue there could be more treatment centres created, again creating more jobs, for the population, if you were running a business you would make this happen, it will improve peoples living standards, I'm not sure that anyone in Whitehall gets that sadly!
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Aye, they're too busy filling their pockets and bellies and f*cking kids to get anything anymore. Sociopathic corrupt scumbags.
 
Having grown up as teenager in the sixties there was a lot of stuff going on. I had one mate who was a real junkie. Seeing him suffer when he needed something horrified me and as a result I have never touched anything, not even a smoke. In a strange sort of a way he did me a favour As already said if drugs were legalised and least people would know what they are getting. The goverment could also run proper advertising and instead of condembing people they could run schemes like they trying getting people to stop smoking. The NHS could become involved ans the big drug companies could work on inventing things likes patches like they do to help pack in the fags. Chemists could control the stronger stuff. It wont stop the the crimes because the takers will still need the money to buy them but perhaps it would reduce it. Some people will always get hooked but surely it would be better for all of us if more was done to help reduce their dependency. I was a heavy smoker 40/50 a day, and I know how bloody hard it was for me stop, so I can only imagine what it must be like trying to come off the real hard drugs. I say that drug taking is a growing problem, legalising them could be a first step to helping.
 
I have serious issues with the binge drinking culture and hate the fact its classed as cool or macho nowadays. I don't drink to get drunk, if I end up pissed I've had a great night. I think that's the way it should be? Mad how they don't have this binge drinking problem in mainland Europe?

I lost both my parents to alcohol within 6 months of each other. Not the best of times for me, but cannabis (personally) helped me cope with it. Other people would have hit the bottle, some may have been prescribed mind altering additive anti-depressants (some of the ones they prescribe are taken by junkies as a heroin substitute!!), others turn to religion. I know which one worked for me. It's a shame not everyone has access, or even the choice to try it as a form of medication.

The world has gone MENTAL.

The sooner i get the planning application passed for my man cave in the Himalayas the better! A life of ignorance would suit me fine at the moment LOL
 
I'd be all for it, just don't sell to minors and have guidelines. No different to alcohol.

It would piss off the drug gangs big time though, here in Dublin when a few head shops were doing business selling legal highs, they got targeted by the criminals, I was in a shop near to me one day, the next day I walked past and it had been burned to the ground.

 
simont123 - 5/3/2015 17:20

The sooner i get the planning application passed for my man cave in the Himalayas the better! A life of ignorance would suit me fine at the moment LOL
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I think I'll join you mate, in a totally hetero way I mean lol
 
simont123 - 5/3/2015 17:20

The sooner i get the planning application passed for my man cave in the Himalayas the better! A life of ignorance would suit me fine at the moment LOL
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But what about the vapid anticulture of alcohol, soaps, reality tv, consumerism, media manipulation and lies, government corruption and hypocrisy, souls sold for low wages, and all the cattle who think all this is great?

How will you cope without all that in your existence?
 
simont123 - 5/3/2015 17:20

I have serious issues with the binge drinking culture and hate the fact its classed as cool or macho nowadays. I don't drink to get drunk, if I end up pissed I've had a great night. I think that's the way it should be? Mad how they don't have this binge drinking problem in mainland Europe?

I lost both my parents to alcohol within 6 months of each other. Not the best of times for me, but cannabis (personally) helped me cope with it. Other people would have hit the bottle, some may have been prescribed mind altering additive anti-depressants (some of the ones they prescribe are taken by junkies as a heroin substitute!!), others turn to religion. I know which one worked for me. It's a shame not everyone has access, or even the choice to try it as a form of medication.

The world has gone MENTAL.

The sooner i get the planning application passed for my man cave in the Himalayas the better! A life of ignorance would suit me fine at the moment LOL
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OMG Simon. That is awful. I feel for you. I really do. I know the chaos that alcoholism/dysfunctional drinking, whatever you wish to call it, can bring.

We are apparently the 3rd worse for drink in the world. Russia 1st, then 1 of the Nordic countries followed by us.

Genetic makeup is part of the problem of why some people get addicted and others don't, I believe. You can be pre disposed. I am glad it hasn't happened to you, that you have become addicted.

I agree that dysfunctional drinking is celebrated, and only the stereo type is seen as a problem. Yet it costs the services in this country 23 billion a year because of the far reaching affects that go beyond the NHS.

Drugs whilst do cause devastation do not to the same extent, of deaths, as alcohol. We all know people who have died through drinking, slow deaths, many not even seen as to do with drink.

I will never forget when my eldest was 21 him coming home from work shocked. One of his mates from school was found dead on Christmas morning after going out with his mates the night before. Just a so call 'typical'' binge night out. He choked on his own vomit.

You don't have to be addicted with booze for it to kill you. More than that happening than people realize, with alcohol related deaths, yet the person is not necessarily addicted
 
Yeah you hear horrible stories kefkat, I know of a lady who had never drank in 45 years, got divorced, started drinking. 2 years later she died with a rotten liver.

Alcohol is far too profitable though for anyone to really care about this side though.

I'm very sceptical of full drug legalisation, I wonder how it would actually be implemented successfully. It would have knock on effects everywhere, we need to remember there are people (South American coca farmers etc) who rely on the illegal drugs trade to provide for their families as growing vegetables just doesn't cut it nowadays. Introduce a fair trade scheme perhaps?

Still leaves the problem on where to buy from, how strong to make the product, how much can people buy, what can they buy, would the cartels flood the market to drive the price down, would people who can't normally get high grade drugs start taken them now? I know I'd probably be tempted, but id be sensible. A huge percentage wouldn't, especially in Britain. We'd abuse it, then celebrate and make money from the abuse and suffering.

But screw it, it's our lives and we can make our own decisions. The extra cash generated can help to look after the ones who mess up and educate the people who want to learn. They governments would certainly wont fight it when they see the financial figures. Just ask half the American States.
 
Freeman14 - 5/3/2015 18:23

simont123 - 5/3/2015 17:20

The sooner i get the planning application passed for my man cave in the Himalayas the better! A life of ignorance would suit me fine at the moment LOL
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But what about the vapid anticulture of alcohol, soaps, reality tv, consumerism, media manipulation and lies, government corruption and hypocrisy, souls sold for low wages, and all the cattle who think all this is great?

How will you cope without all that in your existence?
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LOL I love not listening to the news, turned the radio on in the the other day, 1st channel kiddie sex attack, switch over, 16 year old killed and cut up by step brother. Where does this shit end? It's like a competition of who can be the most messed up psychopath. I blame the video games :26:

Deleting my facebook is one of them most liberating things ever, bunch of attention seeking 'like whores' as I call them :17:
 
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