thefacehead
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This is exactly the type of thing that the haters conveniently forget about. In other countries she would be hailed as hero, but a lot of people just call her a c*** here.
Lady Thatcher dies
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This is exactly the type of thing that the haters conveniently forget about. In other countries she would be hailed as hero, but a lot of people just call her a c*** here.
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Hugo Chavez was and still is hailed a hero in Venezuela - the truth though is that he is far from it.
Like Thatcher I guess, only at the opposite end of the spectrum.
Proof though anyway, that you can't please all the people all the time.
Like Thatcher I guess, only at the opposite end of the spectrum.
Proof though anyway, that you can't please all the people all the time.
Tellamuir
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She may have been a great hero in the likes of Chile and Iraq, mainly due to her cosy friendship with horrible inhumane monsters like Mr Pinochet and Mr Saddam. She is probably delighted to be reunited with them, what a tea party, imagine the banter!, that will be.
Maybe not such a hero in the likes of new S.Africa, probably due to her fondness of apartheid and her stupidly labelling the great Nelson Mandela as a terrorist. Kind of sums her up really and shows what she and her kind are all about.
Horrible way of thinking even for such a horrible woman.
Maybe not such a hero in the likes of new S.Africa, probably due to her fondness of apartheid and her stupidly labelling the great Nelson Mandela as a terrorist. Kind of sums her up really and shows what she and her kind are all about.
Horrible way of thinking even for such a horrible woman.
thefacehead
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There is simply just too much criticism without the acknowledgement that she did do a lot of good things for the country. She was not a perfect leader but she certainly doesn't deserve the drivel spouted about her, people calling her a c*** (including you) a slag, a trollip, saying her body should be fired in to a pool of sh*t etc etc. It lowers any argument against her and degrades peoples, possibly valid points against her.
The Fear
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We all make our own minds up face head. I'm more than aware of mine, you dismiss it as drivel, cool, I consider it a well rounded summary on a subject I'm well informed and well read on. I just chose some colourful language, however I've also put loads of points as to why I came to that conclusion.
I agree it isn't the best way to set a debate, but hey, this is a forum, not a uni debate or the House of Commons!
She was a c@@@
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I agree it isn't the best way to set a debate, but hey, this is a forum, not a uni debate or the House of Commons!
She was a c@@@
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This might sound a bit self centred, but I couldnt give two flying fucks about anywhere else. Global leaders all over the world 'cosy up' with each other and many british PM's have met and talked with the most evil leaders - Chamberlain with Hitler, Blair with Gadaffi, Mugabe and Adams etc etc etc.... Overall, and democratically speaking (ie. for the good of the majority which is all you can ask): Thatcher did good for Great Britain which was her job.
thefacehead
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There is an ancient rule that states anyone including Hitler & Stalin in argumentative debates automatically loses the argument (unless it's about Nazis or Communism) :2: :2:
thefacehead
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carp? clip? corn? cats? :69:
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On South Africa;
“Thatcher did more to release Nelson Mandela out of prison than any of the other hundreds of anti-apartheid committees in Europe,” Pik Botha, the last foreign minister of the apartheid regime, said Tuesday on Talk Radio 702 in Johannesburg.
F.W. de Klerk, the last apartheid-era president of South Africa, said in a statement that Thatcher, whom he called a friend, was “a steadfast critic of apartheid.” He said she had a better grasp of the complexities and realities of South Africa than many of her contemporaries.
“She exerted more influence in what happened in South Africa than any other political leader,” de Klerk said.
On Ireland;
Thatcher signed the Anglo-Irish Agreement in 1985 along with Ireland’s then taoiseach Garret FitzGerald. The agreement broadly gave the Irish government an advisory role in the North’s government while at the same time confirming there would be no change in the constitutional position of the North until such time as there was a want for it amongst the majority of people there. This led to considerable criticism of Thatcher from unionists who saw the signing as giving the Republic a role it had not previously had and which, in their eyes, would set the North on a path towards reunification with the Republic. Reverend Ian Paisley said that Thatcher had left unionists as “sacrificial lambs to appease the Dublin wolves”. As a result, Thatcher stood as a figure of hatred among nationalists and unionists. Despite this the agreement is widely thought to have paved the way for the peace process and ultimately the current, relatively peaceful situation in Northern Ireland.
“Thatcher did more to release Nelson Mandela out of prison than any of the other hundreds of anti-apartheid committees in Europe,” Pik Botha, the last foreign minister of the apartheid regime, said Tuesday on Talk Radio 702 in Johannesburg.
F.W. de Klerk, the last apartheid-era president of South Africa, said in a statement that Thatcher, whom he called a friend, was “a steadfast critic of apartheid.” He said she had a better grasp of the complexities and realities of South Africa than many of her contemporaries.
“She exerted more influence in what happened in South Africa than any other political leader,” de Klerk said.
On Ireland;
Thatcher signed the Anglo-Irish Agreement in 1985 along with Ireland’s then taoiseach Garret FitzGerald. The agreement broadly gave the Irish government an advisory role in the North’s government while at the same time confirming there would be no change in the constitutional position of the North until such time as there was a want for it amongst the majority of people there. This led to considerable criticism of Thatcher from unionists who saw the signing as giving the Republic a role it had not previously had and which, in their eyes, would set the North on a path towards reunification with the Republic. Reverend Ian Paisley said that Thatcher had left unionists as “sacrificial lambs to appease the Dublin wolves”. As a result, Thatcher stood as a figure of hatred among nationalists and unionists. Despite this the agreement is widely thought to have paved the way for the peace process and ultimately the current, relatively peaceful situation in Northern Ireland.
thefacehead
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I'm doing my best to get 'that' word out of you so I can use it on this site without being booted off lol
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Great post tea, all I suspect will fall on deaf ears though with the blinkered haters.
I said earlier that my concern and praise for her lies in her role as British leader, and you only have to see the changes with regards racism, culture and solidarity in the UK from 1979 to 1990 to see that she did right on that score too.
holtelower
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Funny how she "fought" for the Falkland Islands, but then sold Hong Kong isn't it
Mind you , you don't get much for the Falklands.
It's over, she should now be forgotten, thats what she deserves.
By the way, for any younger people on here, please do not believe the hype, as they say, time heals old wounds.
Think about this, who is seen as the greatest Prime Minister of the country - Churchill right.
So why was he voted out of office when the war was over ?
Can't have been that popular can he !!
Same with Thatcher - she was evil, don't let the bull clowd it
The End of it all - thank bleeding god !
Mind you , you don't get much for the Falklands.
It's over, she should now be forgotten, thats what she deserves.
By the way, for any younger people on here, please do not believe the hype, as they say, time heals old wounds.
Think about this, who is seen as the greatest Prime Minister of the country - Churchill right.
So why was he voted out of office when the war was over ?
Can't have been that popular can he !!
Same with Thatcher - she was evil, don't let the bull clowd it
The End of it all - thank bleeding god !
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Hong kong was leased to Britain, and the 99 year lease period ended in 1997, seven years after Thatcher left Downing Street. It was never 'sold.'
holtelower
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I think you will find a treaty was signed in 1984
