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Keep bang up to date with the Referendum results

Eagerxile - 24/6/2016 11:48

PS I voted out, but it was a very rational decision. I'm not all het up about immigration and I'm certainly not xenophobic. I believe in economic and cultural collaboration. For me, it was definitely a decision based on self-determination. In fact the UK may have done Europe a massive favour.

I've wanted out for years since I first looked into the Lisbon Treaty and realised what it involved and the powers it contained. Add to the comments from leading EU leaders which indicate a desire to make use of all the clauses and it was a no brainer for me. I'm more than happy to take a small hit on personal wealth etc for getting out.

The biggest cost to me is the fact the wife is talking about being forced to pay 800 or so to apply for British citizenship. I've told her she'll be fine but still a worry for her. She might just pay the cost regardless to make it easier when she flies home now and again to see her mum.

EU leaders are already making noises about reform. If they'd shown they were genuine about it previously, I may well have voted to stay in. Let's see what happens...

Depends on what the reform is - they could just vote to remove Article 50 and rush through further integration. It strikes me that their response will be to speed things up rather than slow down and reassess.
 
John_Knee - 24/6/2016 16:22

Depends on what the reform is - they could just vote to remove Article 50 and rush through further integration. It strikes me that their response will be to speed things up rather than slow down and reassess.

That would confirm the intellectual arrogance of the Eurocrats. However, they are also politicians. They know only too well how Euroscepticism is growing everywhere. They will have to reassess.
 
I'm trying to understand the Brexit vote. I know a lot of people voted on one issue, and it's not down to ignorance. It's because we simply weren't informed well enough of what the EU is and does. It's a lot of pacts and directives relating to everything. Some good, some not so good. Instead we were fed scaremongering from both sides, figures plucked from nowhere, and forced to think that the EU has no influence other than immigration or free trade. Even the televised debates were formed of a bunch of chickens with different shit stains on them clucking the same clucks. Of course people will vote on the one or two issues dragged out to death by them.

I can completely understand people voting simply due to immigration if they solely disagree with the level of immigration (particularly settling in Kent) and that we have our hands tied when deporting them. Any other reason and you need to admit that you're a twat.

The one thing I just don't get is the classic "we fought the Germans during the war and now we're surrendering to them" - please can someone explain this. Is complying with the request to put money together to help bail out Greece for the safety of the whole of the EU surrendering to them? Or taking in a fraction of the immigrants making their way from Syria? Both times providing a fraction of what Germany were offering? Or is this part of Germany's plan to create the 4th Reich? Surely I'm missing something here?

Anyone who mentions benefits street in their reasons for Brexit don't deserve to be taken seriously.

Cutting foreign aid - a touchy one. With our EU membership fee at least there's accountability where it goes. Otherwise, what's the guarantee any of the money saved from leaving the EU will go to the right causes here? Remember the story of the man who told his mate "I never smoke. You know, with the money you save you could buy a Ferrari" only to get the response "Well where's your Ferrari?".

In general I can't put a finger on why but in recent years I've become far more liberal. Ridiculous to think a few general elections ago I was as ignorant as f..
 
The exit vote is the end for the UK - every single person in the country will now have to foot the bill - many holiday firms have already said they will be charging a surcharge even if you have paid in full unless currency returns to the same level as a few weeks ago

Watch out for a hike in prices in most areas - many shops will use it as a excuse.

I already have a meeting invite to discuss job loses in one of the business I support - this country is in for a bumpy ride for the next few years.

When I start redundancy consultations I maybe I should ask if you voted in or out
 
It is what it is DurhamGills - i work in the Financial Industry, the UK was far and away the leader in Europe when it came to Investments / banking / insurance etc. Not very sexy, but a lot of our country's wealth comes from this Industry. Presumably multi nationals will now look to frankfurt etc.

Brexit vote is like taking out a payday loan or taking ecstasy. Exciting in the short term, and if anything goes wrong, other people can sort it out.
 
Totally agree Threesixes - such a short term view BUT even in the short term in next 2 to 3 years the pain will be immense.

I work in a area allied to the building industry and the estimate is 15 to 25% downturn in the next few months which will be reflected in the job losses before year end.

All the hard work this country has done over the last 10 years which got us through the recession reasonably unscathed has all gone down the drain - batten down the hatches
 
Durham - you may think this a stupid question, but can you explain why Brexit should affect the building industry so badly? We still need houses after all...
 
Trev_GFC - 24/6/2016 18:20


I'm trying to understand the Brexit vote. I know a lot of people voted on one issue, and it's not down to ignorance. It's because we simply weren't informed well enough of what the EU is and does. It's a lot of pacts and directives relating to everything. Some good, some not so good. Instead we were fed scaremongering from both sides, figures plucked from nowhere, and forced to think that the EU has no influence other than immigration or free trade. Even the televised debates were formed of a bunch of chickens with different shit stains on them clucking the same clucks. Of course people will vote on the one or two issues dragged out to death by them.

I can completely understand people voting simply due to immigration if they solely disagree with the level of immigration (particularly settling in Kent) and that we have our hands tied when deporting them. Any other reason and you need to admit that you're a twat.

The one thing I just don't get is the classic "we fought the Germans during the war and now we're surrendering to them" - please can someone explain this. Is complying with the request to put money together to help bail out Greece for the safety of the whole of the EU surrendering to them? Or taking in a fraction of the immigrants making their way from Syria? Both times providing a fraction of what Germany were offering? Or is this part of Germany's plan to create the 4th Reich? Surely I'm missing something here?

Anyone who mentions benefits street in their reasons for Brexit don't deserve to be taken seriously.

Cutting foreign aid - a touchy one. With our EU membership fee at least there's accountability where it goes. Otherwise, what's the guarantee any of the money saved from leaving the EU will go to the right causes here? Remember the story of the man who told his mate "I never smoke. You know, with the money you save you could buy a Ferrari" only to get the response "Well where's your Ferrari?".

In general I can't put a finger on why but in recent years I've become far more liberal. Ridiculous to think a few general elections ago I was as ignorant as f..

In this country we have been banging on about immigration for as long as I can remember, we have been tolerant and patient and rode our time, waited and waited, been promised changes and still our local communities and areas have been gradually changing. I suppose it finally started to take hold in the North and they had a slightly lower tolerance threshold than us down South. The EU didn't pay attention because
it doesn't have that ability (fatal flaw).

Somebody who says.. The EU is about alot of pacts and directives relating to everything in one sentence, then states it not down to ignorance really is just having a laugh, then some other nonsense.

The Brexit vote is and always was a left wing vote. It's about the real people in this country who want something such as a better life, the Proletariat.
The bourgeoisie run everything, finally the Prols have discovered a way to disrupt and hopefully get something from the Bourgeoisie. It's the same story as all the others as well as very short memories.

What you have to decide is which one are you?

It's about demographics, politics and ideals. Understanding where you are from, how you perceive your area to be and how you envisage you, your area and your leaders to be in future. It's also about how you see other parts of your country in relation to this.

16.8+Million people are telling you something, they are happy to let this argument loose,
happy to have the divison and discord.
 
Eagerxile - 25/6/2016 00:00

Durham - you may think this a stupid question, but can you explain why Brexit should affect the building industry so badly? We still need houses after all...

Building homes is a big investment for firms and they wont want to invest during a volatile uncertain market - house prices are forecast to drop and interests rates may rise. Just looks at the way shares in house building firms plummeted after the vote

Some building products are manufactured abroad which with a week pound will increase in price.

The building market has already softened in the last couple of months
 
There will not be a slow down in demand for housing. Just the base reproduction rate of UK domiciled is putting a stretch on demand to build on greenfield sites. To slow demand down, each couple would need to onlyhave a maximum of one child.
 
Razorpound - 25/6/2016 08:37

There will not be a slow down in demand for housing. Just the base reproduction rate of UK domiciled is putting a stretch on demand to build on greenfield sites. To slow demand down, each couple would need to onlyhave a maximum of one child.

The down down started in March - this is not a tin pot company I am quoting its a multi national who is number 1 in its sector