Just spent a week or so...

Buddha

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...at this fantastic event in a field in Devon.

Organised and run entirely by travellers we had hundreds of kids there learning loads of really good skills at workshops in metalwork, woodwork, needlework and lots of other useful things. My son made it his mission to do every single workshop and came away really inspired having made so many different things and learnt new skills.

We had the library bus there and we had loads of people come in and enjoy our books, microscope and the table-football. We lent out over a hundred books and they all came back (we usually have at least one that doesn't get returned) so that was also really positive.

As well as the workshops there was a teenage space in the woods next to the field, punk aerobics every day, a fire show and live music in the evening. Not only that but dogs were welcome too.

All in all a really nice, family orientated week of education, entertainment and fun. This is the kind of thing we do.

Another world is possible.
 
Great, apart from the dogs.

Did you get any tissue paper there? I think VG's used it all up (see other threads).
 
Love cats (provided they are house trained).

Living on the North Peckham estate some years ago where dogs were the standard weapons of muggers and drug dealers didn't help.
 
...at this fantastic event in a field in Devon.

Organised and run entirely by travellers we had hundreds of kids there learning loads of really good skills at workshops in metalwork, woodwork, needlework and lots of other useful things. My son made it his mission to do every single workshop and came away really inspired having made so many different things and learnt new skills.

We had the library bus there and we had loads of people come in and enjoy our books, microscope and the table-football. We lent out over a hundred books and they all came back (we usually have at least one that doesn't get returned) so that was also really positive.

As well as the workshops there was a teenage space in the woods next to the field, punk aerobics every day, a fire show and live music in the evening. Not only that but dogs were welcome too.

All in all a really nice, family orientated week of education, entertainment and fun. This is the kind of thing we do.

Another world is possible.
Great work Buddha. Its great that your library bus is still going strong. Maybe you could tell us about an event before it happens next time unless you are worried we'll turn up and embarrass you ??

If only all travellers were as community conscious as yourself though. We've had massive problems with travellers in thurrock essex over the last year.

I actually have a good friend thats from the travelling community who i probably would have never met but for the fact his son plays rugby at my son's rugby club. He's not the 'peace and love sort' of traveller you seem to be Buddha. He's now since living in a house but he and his family are all travellers, and he's a decent guy and cant do enough for you. But unfortunately the travelling community is marred by the actions of the significant number of travellers who find it impossible not to move onto public parks, trash my local rugby club causing thousands of pounds worth of damage to the gates and leave crap all over the place like a swarm of locusts.

It's a real shame as these travellers give honest decent citizens like you and my mate and my sons team mate a bad name.
 
I actually have a good friend thats from the travelling community who i probably would have never met but for the fact his son plays rugby at my son's rugby club. He's not the 'peace and love sort' of traveller you seem to be Buddha. He's now since living in a house but he and his family are all travellers, and he's a decent guy and cant do enough for you. But unfortunately the travelling community is marred by the actions of the significant number of travellers who find it impossible not to move onto public parks, trash my local rugby club causing thousands of pounds worth of damage to the gates and leave crap all over the place like a swarm of locusts.

I'm sure Buddha wasn't with those types of travellers.
 
I'm sure Buddha wasn't with those types of travellers.
I agree. The community Buddha seems to be part of seem a pretty decent bunch of people. The stories he tells over the years have shown they are nowhere near the very antisocial group of travellers which unfortunately for them people see as the majority of the travelling community.
 
Great work Buddha. Its great that your library bus is still going strong. Maybe you could tell us about an event before it happens next time unless you are worried we'll turn up and embarrass you ??

If only all travellers were as community conscious as yourself though. We've had massive problems with travellers in thurrock essex over the last year.

I actually have a good friend thats from the travelling community who i probably would have never met but for the fact his son plays rugby at my son's rugby club. He's not the 'peace and love sort' of traveller you seem to be Buddha. He's now since living in a house but he and his family are all travellers, and he's a decent guy and cant do enough for you. But unfortunately the travelling community is marred by the actions of the significant number of travellers who find it impossible not to move onto public parks, trash my local rugby club causing thousands of pounds worth of damage to the gates and leave crap all over the place like a swarm of locusts.

It's a real shame as these travellers give honest decent citizens like you and my mate and my sons team mate a bad name.


You could say the same about any community- there's always someone who ruins it for everyone else
 
'58 - OSK is right to ask, "what is wrong with dogs?". A lot of us have dogs and when we go to a festival/event we usually take our homes and families (anybody who has or has had a dog will know that more often than not they are considered as part of the family) with us. If dogs are not allowed we can't just leave them at home because home is where we're parked. All the dogs were kept on leads and people were pretty on it with cleaning up their shit. During the entire week I only spotted two dog shits (that weren't from my dog), and of course, I picked those up too.
As for dogs being used as weapons, that is obviously wrong, and those who do that, such as the ***** you describe (and it could be argued police and security guards too) are, in my mind at least, abusing their dogs.

AK - 3x6 is right, I'm sure, that the travellers you describe are not the same culture as us. Those people have a long history, have faced much more discrimination than we have, and our values are often very different. We might all live on the road (or at least have a historical connection to living on the road) but that doesn't make us the same. One very good example of this is religion. Romany and Irish travellers are often very religious, whereas most of my lot reject religion entirely.

As I've tried to explain before, my community only has a history of about 40 odd years - we grew out of the old hippy culture and in the late 80s/early 90s kind of merged with the rave culture. We have bright colourful vehicles. We like to clean up after ourselves and leave places as we found them. We (well some of us anyway!) like to take mind bending drugs, and we definitely like to party.

The media, many years ago now, dubbed us, 'New Age Travellers'. Don't think any of us liked that term, and these days it's not even appropriate because so many of us are now old age travellers! Nevertheless, the term does at least differentiate us from other travellers. We face discrimination from many members of the public because of the actions of other travellers (I'm not going to condone or condemn those other travellers - their actions might often seem anti-social but then again, few of us will have ever had the same experience of discrimination and prejudice that they have faced, and perhaps if we had we might have developed a 'fuck 'em' attitude too). But this is as absurd and as wrong as it is to label all football supporters as thugs and hooligans. Who here remembers, during the 80s and early 90s, the way all football fans were dismissed as thugs and caged like animals, just because of the actions of a minority?

You could take that analogy a step further, because, as I said above, there are different cultures of travellers. It would be more like supporters of another sport being dismissed as hooligans just because of the actions of a few football supporters. Ok, so some football fans enjoy causing trouble and fighting. Does that mean that all football supporters are like this? Does it mean that supporters of other sports deserve to be tarred with the same brush?


As for letting you now beforehand about events, if you want me to I can send you a private message. You're right, in a way, that we don't want to advertise things too much. There are several reasons for this. One main reason is that if those who don't like us hear about it they can try to stop us (and often do). Another main reason is because part of the beauty of these things is that they are not too large. Take Glastonbury festival for example - it started as a free festival, and for many years the (New Age) travellers were a very big part of the festival and were granted free entry even after the festival had started charging for tickets. But it became so popular that it became a machine, a monster. Nowadays the only travellers who attend are those who are working at the festival.

There are other examples too, one of the free festivals that I attend, which started as just our thing, has now grown so big that we're going to have to have at least a year off because too many people now want to attend. Once something reaches a certain level of popularity we can no longer self-police it, and when that happens you have to either compromise your ideals and values or have things turn to shit. Members of the non-travelling community are welcome but only if they can behave with respect and responsibility. You can't have freedom without responsibility; unfortunately too many people who have never really tasted freedom just can't handle the responsibility when they encounter a bit of freedom..

Another world is possible, I know because I inhabit it. When I was younger I wanted to change the world. Now, although I'd love the world to change, I'm happy (and lucky) to simply live alternatively. I don't want everyone to follow us, I merely want them to leave us to our own devices. We don't need or want the state interfering with us. As for the public, I'd just like them to have a little understanding of what we're about. Those who do soon realise that we're beautiful people who live in relative freedom. Obviously the state and the media (which I believe is just another branch of the state) don't want people to know this; if too many people 'got it', well then we might just become a threat to the status quo....


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You could say the same about any community- there's always someone who ruins it for everyone else

Only if they're part of your community. Refer to my analogy about supporters of other sports and football hooligans.
 
No, obviously he is not. What kind of a shit parent would take mind bending drugs whilst responsible for a child?!

Maybe if you took some mind bending drugs you might realise a few truths...

Then again, you'd probably freak out and end up being sectioned. Go on, do us a all a favour, valencia, drop some acid and see how your fragile mind copes!
 
Maybe you could post me some over...
When I am then in a stupified state , I can realise Grooming gangs and people killing little girls , police and soldiers , are really a figment of my imagination.
Thank you for enlightening me , and helping me discover this alternative world.
 
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The media, many years ago now, dubbed us, 'New Age Travellers'. Don't think any of us liked that term, and these days it's not even appropriate because so many of us are now old age travellers! Nevertheless, the term does at least differentiate us from other travellers. We face discrimination from many members of the public because of the actions of other travellers (I'm not going to condone or condemn those other travellers - their actions might often seem anti-social but then again, few of us will have ever had the same experience of discrimination and prejudice that they have faced, and perhaps if we had we might have developed a 'fuck 'em' attitude too). But this is as absurd and as wrong as it is to label all football supporters as thugs and hooligans. Who here remembers, during the 80s and early 90s, the way all football fans were dismissed as thugs and caged like animals, just because of the actions of a minority?

You could take that analogy a step further, because, as I said above, there are different cultures of travellers. It would be more like supporters of another sport being dismissed as hooligans just because of the actions of a few football supporters. Ok, so some football fans enjoy causing trouble and fighting. Does that mean that all football supporters are like this? Does it mean that supporters of other sports deserve to be tarred with the same brush?

Enjoyed reading the email, but I think you are a bit off with the analogy - I would says that the Irish travellers (a group of whom are currently travelling round the playing fields / car parks of North / Mid Kent) would be the football hooligans, "travellers" as a whole (including "new age" travellers such as yourself) would be the football fans, and anyone else that would have a caravan would amount to a "sports" fan.