Just 3% drop in awards

kefkat

kefkat

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The changes made by previous governments and this is the outcome: 3% drop in awards. How much has it cost them to implement this?

Not saying there didn't need to be changes however it could have been done within the system there already was. That would have saved the billions it has cost to implement this soulless heartless cruel system, costing millions in appeals and people deaths etc.

The same applies to the change from DLA to PIPS. The forms could have been updated without the need for all the change which has cost millions and hasn't made any difference to pay outs, cos contrary to popular belief that those who receive any form of benefit are mainly fiddling the system, the stats are actually below 1%.

JF you may want to merge this into the election post. That's fine by me if you do.

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Years of ESA suffering and deaths for just 3% drop in awards

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Category: Latest news
Created: Friday, 17 April 2015 10:23
Years of misery for claimants, and millions of pounds spent on rushed assessments, have reduced the number of claimants receiving employment and support allowance (ESA) or incapacity benefit (IB) by just 3%.

The latest DWP statistics, released today, show that the claimant count for ESA/IB has fallen by just 83,000 since the Coalition took control in May 2010, from 2,613,000 to 2,530,000, and is currently on the increase again.

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http://benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/3075-years-of-esa-suffering-and-deaths-for-just-3-drop-in-awards
 
no, more than happy for this not in the election thread Kefkat, interesting stuff!

Was tempted to merge into f*** the disabled thread though! LOL
 
all the crap, all the accusations, all the 'the ill are ripping us off' and the lies that there was loads of fraud and they cut it by 3%

Absolute arses.

Would love to know how much this has cost the country!
 
It's right to keep this out of the election thread. The Tories get blamed for enough stuff that they did cause without them getting blamed for Labour's handywork :14:



 
Tories had the power to change it or stop it Villan...

But quite right, as someone pointed out to me a long while back in the previous thread, Atos was appointed by Labour
 
Agreed, they could have changed it but at what cost, I wonder. Things on this scale take a lot of political will, time and money to change and until results started to be known it was not known what sort of job ATOS would do. You know yourself, having studied politics, most policies take 2-4 years before any effect is seen, rather making a mockery of a 5 year elected term.

 
The 83,000 that they reckon it has dropped by it probably hasn't dropped by at all. There will be the natural up and down of people who need help for a short while and then are able to go back to work, so i doubt the figures are any different at all.

As it says, these figures are on the up again anyway.
 
Last month I paid tax on my pension of £35
This month I recieved a new tax code and paid £30 less in tax.
Whats the point of giving me a higher tax code so I pay less tax on my pay but deducting £5 more out my pension...

Complete arseholes.

I know from personal experience that the Government will spend billions and bilions of pounds on misguided policy Implimentation.
And thats every government.

Labour NHS super computer system £20 Billion down the drain....
 
Totally agree Col. I mean shouldn't all this be taken into account when they are deciding where the cuts should go, after all the monies they waste would pay for those cuts.

One rule for one..................
 
Here is another about Cameron attitude to the disabled

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Unapologetic Cameron challenged by Andrew Marr over benefits deaths and ILF closure


David Cameron was challenged over the death of diabetic benefits claimant David Clapson and over the closure of the Independent Living Fund (ILF) on Sunday’s Andrew Marr show. Cameron’s unapologetic response was that there are hardship funds available for ‘difficult cases’.

On his program yesterday Marr asked Cameron if he accepted that the £22 billion of welfare cuts so far ‘has hurt a lot of poor and vulnerable people?’

Cont: http://benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/3076-unapologetic-cameron-challenged-by-andrew-marr-over-benefits-deaths-and-ilf-closure
 
Oh he totally batted the questions away as if he didn't care one jot Kefkat, it was quite brutal and that is surprising as obviously he had a disabled child.

He could have dealt with it so much better. He came over pretty heartless ...

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Yes, difficult one VofN, it does take time. However ATOS were known before they were taken on, and at the time there was a lot of worry and derision. I remember one programme showing physios being hired to assess. Ok, so you have a complicated brain disease and a physio is meant to know what to do?

I remember one physio when my dear old nan had broken her arm once telling her to 'do this, do that' etc she was in tears with this young cow pushing and then we arrived and said she's disabled, she' not been able to do that for 20 years you stupid... and the other word I forget

The head of one of the physiotherapy associations at the time poured scorn on them being approached to be used.

It has been heartless, pointless and very cruel on people.
 
I'm not familiar with Atos, but having looked them up on Wiki I see that they are, in fact, a French firm. They really are never going to give a toss about the British people in the way a British company would so it was always going to be nothing more or less than a numbers game to them, the more they can save the better it looks for them and their contract.

Personally I don't think that any private company should administrate any type of social security, it's state funds, that the state is responsible for and as such the state should have control of the situation but once the decision has been made to outsource it has to be considered a very different prospect to road building and refuse collection, where the lowest bider that can produce a satisfactory result principle should be fine. In this case we are talking about people trying to make money out of the state program that should enable disabled people to have a better quality of life.........the government should never put the quality of life of disadvantaged people in the hands of profiteers.

 
Villan Of The North - 28/4/2015 13:40

Personally I don't think that any private company should administrate any type of social security,
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and there lies the truth my good man... totally agree.

ALL they had to do was write to each and every doctor in the land and say.

We are going to send you all the people you have on your books that you are signing off sick.

We are going to make you double check that all the people you are signing off sick should be claiming what they are claiming.

We will be reminding you that if you are signing anyone off sick that shouldn't be you will be struck off.

We thank you for your assistance.

No doctor would lie for a patient (within reason of the odd twat I guess) so why not use the expert who knows the patient?
 
I have got confused what this thread is about tbh, i have tried reading it but the penny ay dropping for me ffs :39: but i know it is about 3% drop in something :3:
 
3% drop in benefit claims by disabled Clive, which as Kefkat says, could just be the natural cycle of people coming on and off them, getting better/dying etc.

All the upheavel, medicals, stress, new computer systems, new payment programmes etc etc... massive cost, little to no gain.

This is the trouble and a perfect illustration of the headline grabbing papers making us believe x, y and z from their bullshit exaggerated stories. The way it was all pitched years ago you'd have thought billions were going on people wrongly claiming sickness.
 
Cheers Fear dude, i must have had a mental block or somet ffs, i thought it was polls of voting oh i dunno, but yeah the bs they made out made us all think benefits was the main problem when the truth is it took the attention off the real thieving ba**ads at the top
 
The Fear - 28/4/2015 11:06

Oh he totally batted the questions away as if he didn't care one jot Kefkat, it was quite brutal and that is surprising as obviously he had a disabled child.

He could have dealt with it so much better. He came over pretty heartless ...

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It is almost as if he is so bitter still about his son dieing all those alive with disabilities have to pay. That's what goes through my head when I see him re disability.

We have said it before that people don't realize that the biggest part of the welfare bill is pensions which take up 50% of the bill, next housing benefit, which people don't realize you can claim working or not. ESA?Disability take up a very minuet section of the welfare bill
 
ClivetheVillan - 28/4/2015 19:03

Cheers Fear dude, i must have had a mental block or somet ffs, i thought it was polls of voting oh i dunno, but yeah the bs they made out made us all think benefits was the main problem when the truth is it took the attention off the real thieving ba**ads at the top
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Yow cant get nowt for a mental block, try claiming anyway.
 
Here's another article on the dehumanizing of people claiming benefits from the working tax credits side. People forget that benefit claimants include child benefit/working tax credit/ housing benefit/council tax and pensions as well as the usual ESA/Job seekers/Carer's/PIP'S/DLA and Attendance Allowance

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How the Tories dehumanize low paid families-or should I say benefit units

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Do you ever miss the era when you didn’t know what a benefit sanction was? That innocent time, before the Department for Work and Pensions renamed a family a “benefit unit”? One of the great luxuries of no longer having a Conservative-led government would be not having to learn any more about their intricately boring, functionally brutal social security innovations.

Look, I’m no Pollyanna. There are clearly question marks over a possible Labour/SNP coalition: how is it going to work, for a start, now that Labour has explicitly promised not to talk to the SNP? Prime minister’s questions would look like a cocktail party with two exes blanking each other. We’ll know they’re in love, but they’ll be too angry to see it.

And what, exactly, is Ed Miliband’s rent capping idea? The beginning of a new courage, as he sets his face to the blizzard of the rentier economy? Or a canny bid for the votes of people who don’t think any politicians are capable of anything? These are battles for the future, and I would have them 1,000 times rather than watch unfold the nightmare of “in-work conditionality”.

Cont: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/26/tories-low-paid-families-benefit-units-parents-minimum-wage?CMP=share_btn_fb
 
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