Juan Foyth Could Become Our Second Signing

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Argentinian centre-back Juan Foyth could become Tottenham Hotspur's second signing of this summer's transfer window, according to reports.


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Real Deal - 13/7/2017 16:23

All valid points. But we don't know how the lad will react. He might have a strong mentality and adapt quickly.

Either way looks like we need a CB with more experience. One that can hit the ground running.

I hope he does prove me wrong and does fly out the gates. I just don't want the expectations to weight him down so early. I'd be surprised if we didn't sign a more experience CB as well though.

 

[User removed at own request]

His club want him back for 6 months if we sign him and we are supposedly haggling over a sell-on percentage at the moment. He is definitely a signing for the future.

 

[Spursex]

Matic - 18/7/2017 09:47

His club want him back for 6 months if we sign him and we are supposedly haggling over a sell-on percentage at the moment. He is definitely a signing for the future.

Given how little top class football he's played, I'm not surprised.

That said, I saw a video compilation of his play and I had this horrible feeling like I was watching Vlad... :10: :10: :17:

 

[muttley]

Real Deal - 16/7/2017 15:55

muttley - 16/7/2017 12:57

I always welcome this type of signing. 19 is a great age to be in and around our squad knowing that Toby and Jan are an awesome partnership. They won't go on forever and the ages and abilities of CCV and Foyth would mean they can be patient and take their chances when they get them. Let's hope it happens.

I like this signing if the balance in the squad is right.

Just say Vert and Toby get injured, our options at present are poor. Wimmer is not wanted, Dier is not good enough at CB, CCV isn't ready. If we bring in some experience to go with this lad then I'm all for it.

Agree, Sakho is one player who ticks a few boxes but my guess is he'll want first team football with the World Cup around the corner. Even with Gibson or Mawson, you're still throwing inexperienced guy into big matches if we have injuries to Jan or Toby so not sure what the answer is if Wimmer leaves as expected.

Foyth is CCV's age so will be work in progress for the time being.

 

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Spursex - 18/7/2017 11:21

Matic - 18/7/2017 09:47

His club want him back for 6 months if we sign him and we are supposedly haggling over a sell-on percentage at the moment. He is definitely a signing for the future.

Given how little top class football he's played, I'm not surprised.

That said, I saw a video compilation of his play and I had this horrible feeling like I was watching Vlad... :10: :10: :17:

Haha, god lets hope he's not like him when he gets here. I think 6 months more of first team football for him will be good and then when he arrives in Jan slowly integrate him and get him settled without the pressure of having to perform straight away. Makes total sense.

 

[Bald Archie]

This sort of signing depresses me - a Levy punt on future values rather than strengthening us now.

What's wrong in that I hear some ask? The answer is that we have an Academy of talented players who don't get that much chance to progress when we waste millions on someone of similar age - for example Foyth has played 8 senior games in a poor quality foreign league.

If we do buy him, he may turn out to be a new Messi and in recent years the strategy got Alli (no great risk as it was blindingly obvious he was a major talent ready for the mans game at PL level) and Dier. However during the same period we also wasted money on the likes of N'Jie and Yeddlin amongst many others who haven't featured much if at all in the first team, whilst not extracting the proper potential of so many, many Academy players.

I just cannot balance the current equation whereby a manager with a reputation for giving youth a chance and having a special talent for developing a player (both utterly false reputations in my view ) and with an Academy deliberately designed to pick up the best young talent to develop, equates to just two players being permanently promoted from the Academy into the first team squad in three years.

 

[Departed]

^ BA I think you need to look at how many academy players have had a chance at first team football over the last 3 years. I think you will be surprised.

And then you have to factor in the statistical norm for players, league wide, making the jump to the first team from an academy environment. The percentages are tiny, Spurs might be right in line with that.

Secondly, McDermott has huge input into which players get that chance. You can't target Pochettino for that. It's not that simple. McDermott is huge on personal character.

 

[Bald Archie]

80 there is truth in what you say, but the Acadamy was set-up as a money making part of the business plan, with more investment / planning than is the case with just about any other academy. It should therefore produce better than the average and may well be doing that up to a certain point. I watch them a fair bit and see players who look good enough for first-team chances (not Onomah) that they don't get, or get a few years after they look ready to step-up.

This is why I have said before that I think there is something wrong in our system at this point. My guess is the bottleneck is Porky, not trusting the younger ones, despite this false image he has been given.

How much McDermott controls who goes into the first-team squad I don't know, but you seem to be saying that if the clubs manager and controller of, amongst other things, the first-team squad wants a couple of Academy lads to step-up into his squad and McD doesn't agree, then it doesn't happen. I find that hard to believe.

 

[Departed]

Bald Archie - 18/7/2017 18:07

80 there is truth in what you say, but the Acadamy was set-up as a money making part of the business plan, with more investment / planning than is the case with just about any other academy. It should therefore produce better than the average and may well be doing that up to a certain point. I watch them a fair bit and see players who look good enough for first-team chances (not Onomah) that they don't get, or get a few years after they look ready to step-up.

This is why I have said before that I think there is something wrong in our system at this point. My guess is the bottleneck is Porky, not trusting the younger ones, despite this false image he has been given.

How much McDermott controls who goes into the first-team squad I don't know, but you seem to be saying that if the clubs manager and controller of, amongst other things, the first-team squad wants a couple of Academy lads to step-up into his squad and McD doesn't agree, then it doesn't happen. I find that hard to believe.

The Academy needs time under McDermott's guidance to become a better than average producer of talent.

Much like the first team under MP has become a better producer of PL results.

 

[Bald Archie]

80deg16minW - 18/7/2017 18:51

Bald Archie - 18/7/2017 18:07

80 there is truth in what you say, but the Acadamy was set-up as a money making part of the business plan, with more investment / planning than is the case with just about any other academy. It should therefore produce better than the average and may well be doing that up to a certain point. I watch them a fair bit and see players who look good enough for first-team chances (not Onomah) that they don't get, or get a few years after they look ready to step-up.

This is why I have said before that I think there is something wrong in our system at this point. My guess is the bottleneck is Porky, not trusting the younger ones, despite this false image he has been given.

How much McDermott controls who goes into the first-team squad I don't know, but you seem to be saying that if the clubs manager and controller of, amongst other things, the first-team squad wants a couple of Academy lads to step-up into his squad and McD doesn't agree, then it doesn't happen. I find that hard to believe.

The Academy needs time under McDermott's guidance to become a better than average producer of talent.

Much like the first team under MP has become a better producer of PL results.

Perhaps so, but I am talking about what has happened up until now and specifically in the last three years.

 

[CanadianSpur]

Even if the Academy produces players at an better than average rate should we not always be looking for better? Naturally we all want home grown players to succeed with the club but we can't be hamstrung by sentimentality. If there are realistic better options available then no complaints from me if it displaces and academy product.

 

[meee93]

Why wouldn't Poch care? I'd be surprised if these sort of things didn't work along the lines of "we will pay this for him but if so it means we won't be able to get that other one" which I'm certain Poch would want some sort of say on.

 

[Bald Archie]

CanadianSpur - 18/7/2017 20:24

Even if the Academy produces players at an better than average rate should we not always be looking for better? Naturally we all want home grown players to succeed with the club but we can't be hamstrung by sentimentality. If there are realistic better options available then no complaints from me if it displaces and academy product.

True but we buy the likes of the ones I mention and then don't play them - are they better or even as good as what is in the Academy? I would have thought if we just spent £5m / £8m on a teenager to develop and mayve sell for profit, then the focus is more on him than Fred from the Academy.

It is Levy punting money that, if we were a club trying to win things, would be better spent buying what looks to be a grade A player for the first team rather than penny-pinching and buying Grade B /C players.

The laughable thing is people have been convinced that we can't afford to buy better.

 

[Departed]

^ The reputation of the Academy is growing. As it does recruiting becomes easier. As recruiting becomes easier, better athletes choose Spurs Academy. As better athletes choose Spurs Academy the Academy produces more high level players.

It. Does. Not. Happen. Overnight.

 

[Bald Archie]

80deg16minW - 18/7/2017 20:41

^ The reputation of the Academy is growing. As it does recruiting becomes easier. As recruiting becomes easier, better athletes choose Spurs Academy. As better athletes choose Spurs Academy the Academy produces more high level players.

It. Does. Not. Happen. Overnight.

Of. course. it. doesn't. and. that. is. not. the .point. I. was. making.

 

[ScottDaYid]

Looks like PSG are going to beat us to him lol typical. Can't say I'm bothered though, we need to strengthen the first team not the U23 team.

 

[muttley]

ScottDaYid - 19/7/2017 09:30

Looks like PSG are going to beat us to him lol typical. Can't say I'm bothered though, we need to strengthen the first team not the U23 team.

Still can't be sure we were ever in for him. Having an Argentinian manager means we will always get falsely linked to players from his homeland. I'm never against signing young players with potential but there will always be more links than signings. This summer we've been linked with Under, Sessegnon and Foyth and 2 of them have already signed for other clubs. Perhaps we're about to see the third.

Anyway, we'll see how good our own youngsters are in the coming weeks. This time last year we were raving about CCV, KWP, Onomah, Miller, Harrison, Edwards, Walkes, Amos etc on our pre-season tour. Hopefully we'll get more of the same this year.

 

[Spursex]

Bald Archie - 18/7/2017 18:07

80 there is truth in what you say, but the Acadamy was set-up as a money making part of the business plan, with more investment / planning than is the case with just about any other academy. It should therefore produce better than the average and may well be doing that up to a certain point. I watch them a fair bit and see players who look good enough for first-team chances (not Onomah) that they don't get, or get a few years after they look ready to step-up.

This is why I have said before that I think there is something wrong in our system at this point. My guess is the bottleneck is Porky, not trusting the younger ones, despite this false image he has been given.

How much McDermott controls who goes into the first-team squad I don't know, but you seem to be saying that if the clubs manager and controller of, amongst other things, the first-team squad wants a couple of Academy lads to step-up into his squad and McD doesn't agree, then it doesn't happen. I find that hard to believe.

Show us your analysis of our academy spend in our accounts, then show us how you've compared it to other PL clubs to support your (once again) erroneous contentions...

And then show us how you think we acquire young potential talent (and ashow us your understanding of the recruitment Rules and Regs and what impact that's had) and why we should be producing way above all the historical norms.

Then show us how many players have come through our academy, how much playing time they've had the frequency in which they've made the breakthrough under which manager and then we can look at the actual truth of Poch being a 'bottleneck'..

Do that, and instead of simply making stuff up to suit your argument, we can all see the truth of it.

 

[Real Deal]

Seems the lads parents want him to join us as we might play him more often so he can progress....