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In fairness, apart from Porto, so has Jose - does it matter that much, plenty have had huge sums to spend and achieved nothing..
Which will make JM the better manager when he wins with us.
In fairness, apart from Porto, so has Jose - does it matter that much, plenty have had huge sums to spend and achieved nothing..
Which will make JM the better manager when he wins with us.
agree completely. It's arbitrary. Managers have won manager of the month and been sacked soon after a few times I think. It usually just goes to whoever had the best record numerically, or a manager whose team punched above their weight. Don't think Jose qualifies for either.
Agree totally, our form at lock down without Kane and Son was absolutely dreadful, and with both of them at that stage unlikely to play again for the season, and Jose clearly unhappy and not in 'motivational mode' at that stage, we would have been hard pushed to finish in the top half if the season had proceeded to a normal finish. Initially after the restart it looked like a case of here we go again, or maybe here we don't again. Full credit to Jose however, that after the debacle in Sheffield, and not much better in Bournemouth, he managed to get enough out of the squad to produce a satisfactory, bordering on successful outcome to the season.I think we were very fortunate to finish 6th. When lock down happened it gave us a chance to get our best players back fit.
Lets be honest if the season finished when it was supposed to we would have finished a lot lower. We were truly shocking at the time.
Jose took advantage of the situation because he is a winner. Worked out to our advantage.
I think we were very fortunate to finish 6th. When lock down happened it gave us a chance to get our best players back fit.
Lets be honest if the season finished when it was supposed to we would have finished a lot lower. We were truly shocking at the time.
Jose took advantage of the situation because he is a winner. Worked out to our advantage.
Jose deserves recognition for getting us into 6th, I was never saying he doesnt. My argument was mainly that the manager of the month decision should be based purely on points won and any successes during that period. For me, Ole should be the winner for getting Man Utd into the CL against Pep for most points, Klopp for winning the league and Jose for getting us into Europa.
I just disagreed that considerations towards squad value, time with squad and injuries should be any sort of a factor as then its changing a narrative to engineer an outcome.
To base the award purely on points won is a bit one dimensional in my view.
To base the award purely on points won is a bit one dimensional in my view.
Because of my outlook , I challenge opinion. A 6 game run should be analysed on a game by game basis. What were the factors leading to or contributing to the victory . I am not qualified to judge each aspect of a managers work. A change in tactics before the game, likewise during the game in response to the opposition. A change in personnel to suit the strengths of the opposition. Substitutions which make a difference. These are just a few ways a manager can influence an outcome. To give the award to Klopp or Pep each month may be the result after all consideration.Ok, why not come up with a set of criteria you think it should be based on; give points out of 10 for each category for each manager on your shortlist and let's see how arguable or unarguable the outcome is?
So let's scrap this thread then !! It's a discussion about whether Jose deserves any recognition for the last 6 games in the position he found us in and the circumstances around it.
I think we were very fortunate to finish 6th. When lock down happened it gave us a chance to get our best players back fit.
Lets be honest if the season finished when it was supposed to we would have finished a lot lower. We were truly shocking at the time.
Jose took advantage of the situation because he is a winner. Worked out to our advantage.
Tactics, although that is to some extent closely aligned to Team Selection, so I'll also throw in Media Interaction.Well it's got us talking and we have been asked to help out with getting threads going rather than kill them stone dead by dismissing the subject.
I have not challenged for debate reasons though. I am genuinely interested in the nuances of management and how to judge them. Like I said , I am not qualified but if anyone is interested ( which judging by the player ratings thread , they ain't) , I would be up for compiling a list of measures to judge Jose by as an ongoing thread after matches.
Here is my starter.....Team Selection. I'm not going to do it all, let's see how interested posters are ?
I think we were very fortunate to finish 6th. When lock down happened it gave us a chance to get our best players back fit.
Lets be honest if the season finished when it was supposed to we would have finished a lot lower. We were truly shocking at the time.
Jose took advantage of the situation because he is a winner. Worked out to our advantage.
Tactics, although that is to some extent closely aligned to Team Selection, so I'll also throw in Media Interaction.