Jeremy Clarkson, the latest Gaff.

Welshtel

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He's the centre of a new controversy. Should he resign? Is this latest faux pas enough of a reason to sack a very successful presenter and the centre figure of a programme that is broadcast worlwide? - 150 Million viewers worldwide.

The thing is, like myself, we were brought up with the 'Eeny Meeny Miny Mo' rhyme as children and people from my generation would not consider anything racist about it, because it was never used that way. The fact is that it has a now racist word in it that doesn't even register in most people's minds, our age. A simple rhyme that we say when picking something and making a choice between a few different items is a normal saying in many older people's minds and most don't even go as far as the second sentence. Ok, to say the 'N' word (the fact that I just avoided carefully saying the full thing shows how aware we are of it now), is reprehensible because there are so many in our society now who could be offended.

SO where do we go from here? If we are going to take this to it's logical conclusion, we should be thinking about not saying the 'eeny meeny miny mo' thing at all because it leads to the next sentence which is now wrong to express in a civilised world because the 'N' word is highly regarded as racistly offensive. But it's part of my childhood and part of so many people's childhood.

I often visit Uganda with our charity and people there are my friends and I couldn't bear the thought of anyone offending them. We have no barriers between us, they fully accept me and I them, so does Clarkson enrage me with his remarks? Frankly? NO. The guy's accepted as a Maverick who is also a bit of an idiot. He didn't really do anything on air so do we think he should be sacked by the BBC? For me that's a move too far. Surprised? Or have I, like the dreaded Clarkson, made a similar boo boo, (It's alright to say 'boo boo' isn't it?)

Answers on a postcard please to.......
 
The guy's a ******* idiot.
"I tried my hardest not to say it!" - Yea, good one. I try my hardest not to say it every day and it's very ******* easy, if you're not a racist.
 
Nsh no excuse the use any racist term these - how old is he? 90 ? He should be responsible enough to know right from wrong - bet he doesn't ue any derogatory term for women in public does he ?
 
I agree with Welshtel.

To be honest, although I'm obviously very familiar with the rhyme, it never dawned on me that the n word was in it and it would have been very easy to say it and then realise the word had been said.

I remember a shoe polish years ago called 'N' Brown. Again, if you are reminiscing about these sort of things, it would be easy to let the word slip. I think only people of a certain age can understand how easy it is to slip up.
 
I remember the nursery rhyme "Baa baa black sheep" and was surprised when I heard my niece singing "baa baa rainbow sheep." Why? Baa baa black sheep is now banned from schools.

Oh, and you won't find a black or white board in a school either. No, only "interaction boards."

Clarkson isn't a racist. He may push the boundaries pretty far but its part of his TV persona and frankly he wouldn't be half as funny if he was restricted. The PC brigade go way too far with some of this stuff....
 
spur67 - 4/5/2014 07:18

I agree with Welshtel.

To be honest, although I'm obviously very familiar with the rhyme, it never dawned on me that the n word was in it and it would have been very easy to say it and then realise the word had been said.

I remember a shoe polish years ago called 'N' Brown. Again, if you are reminiscing about these sort of things, it would be easy to let the word slip. I think only people of a certain age can understand how easy it is to slip up.

He isn't that old though is he ? He's in his early 50s ?
 
Dave the Yid - 4/5/2014 07:34

I remember the nursery rhyme "Baa baa black sheep" and was surprised when I heard my niece singing "baa baa rainbow sheep." Why? Baa baa black sheep is now banned from schools.

Oh, and you won't find a black or white board in a school either. No, only "interaction boards."

Clarkson isn't a racist. He may push the boundaries pretty far but its part of his TV persona and frankly he wouldn't be half as funny if he was restricted. The PC brigade go way too far with some of this stuff....

I don't know if he is a racist - don't know him personally, but if he did use that term - he certainly used a racist term!
 
Spurfect11 - 4/5/2014 08:11

He is really not a racist. Just a stupid mistake.

Can't comment whether he is a racist or not - but has used a racist term - he should have been well aware - that term was clearly not ok from the time he was in his teens / early 20s - and the man of the world he purports to be!
 
Highgatespur - 4/5/2014 13:25

spur67 - 4/5/2014 07:18

I agree with Welshtel.

To be honest, although I'm obviously very familiar with the rhyme, it never dawned on me that the n word was in it and it would have been very easy to say it and then realise the word had been said.

I remember a shoe polish years ago called 'N' Brown. Again, if you are reminiscing about these sort of things, it would be easy to let the word slip. I think only people of a certain age can understand how easy it is to slip up.

He isn't that old though is he ? He's in his early 50s ?

So am I!
 
Highgatespur - 4/5/2014 13:30

spur67 - 4/5/2014 10:33

meee93 - 4/5/2014 09:08

We were always taught "catch a piggy..

Its probably a generation thing.

He is not of a generation that doesn't know its implications.....

But its a rhyme that he has been brought up with and its very easy to do it when choosing between two things without thinking about the word in question.

This is completely ridiculous. I havent heard one black person make a complaint about this.

If the accusation about JC was that he is a dick, then I could understand it.
 
I presume that he has children / grand children and he didn't use that term... it really shouldn't need a black person to complain to make this an issue - does it ?
 
Highgatespur - 4/5/2014 14:56

I presume that he has children / grand children and he didn't use that term... it really shouldn't need a black person to complain to make this an issue - does it ?

Well, yes actually. The problem is, some white people think they are doing the right thing when all they are doing is making more of an issue than it should be. The n word is offensive to black people but I think anyone with any common sense will see that this is an understandable slip of the tongue and it would appear black people feel the same. It was raised by a white guy who thought he was doing the right thing. I really dont think he has an understanding of the situation at all. Sad really.
 
as James May has recently said on his Twitter page

"Jeremy Clarkson is monumental bellend, but he is definitely not a racist. I wouldn't work with one"
 
spur67 - 4/5/2014 15:24

Highgatespur - 4/5/2014 14:56

I presume that he has children / grand children and he didn't use that term... it really shouldn't need a black person to complain to make this an issue - does it ?

Well, yes actually. The problem is, some white people think they are doing the right thing when all they are doing is making more of an issue than it should be. The n word is offensive to black people but I think anyone with any common sense will see that this is an understandable slip of the tongue and it would appear black people feel the same. It was raised by a white guy who thought he was doing the right thing. I really dont think he has an understanding of the situation at all. Sad really.

Totally disagree with your line of thinking... the 'n' word is offensive whether it is said by a white/black/Asian person and no matter the recipient is... It is no 'understandable slip of the tongue'.... I think you could be talking about yourself there about the understanding by the sound of it ...
 
Highgatespur - 4/5/2014 16:14

spur67 - 4/5/2014 15:24

Highgatespur - 4/5/2014 14:56

I presume that he has children / grand children and he didn't use that term... it really shouldn't need a black person to complain to make this an issue - does it ?

Well, yes actually. The problem is, some white people think they are doing the right thing when all they are doing is making more of an issue than it should be. The n word is offensive to black people but I think anyone with any common sense will see that this is an understandable slip of the tongue and it would appear black people feel the same. It was raised by a white guy who thought he was doing the right thing. I really dont think he has an understanding of the situation at all. Sad really.

Totally disagree with your line of thinking... the 'n' word is offensive whether it is said by a white/black/Asian person and no matter the recipient is... It is no 'understandable slip of the tongue'.... I think you could be talking about yourself there about the understanding by the sound of it ...

I can assure you I have a perfect understanding of what the term means and its implications. My point is, if something like this is in the public domain and there isnt a single complaint from a black person who are the ones that this term is aimed against, it puts it all into perspective. That is the problem, perspective. The n word should not be used at all, but this clearly a mistake made due to the nature and and historic context it was used.

Incidentally, how old are you?
 
spur67 - 4/5/2014 16:30

Highgatespur - 4/5/2014 16:14

spur67 - 4/5/2014 15:24

Highgatespur - 4/5/2014 14:56

I presume that he has children / grand children and he didn't use that term... it really shouldn't need a black person to complain to make this an issue - does it ?

Well, yes actually. The problem is, some white people think they are doing the right thing when all they are doing is making more of an issue than it should be. The n word is offensive to black people but I think anyone with any common sense will see that this is an understandable slip of the tongue and it would appear black people feel the same. It was raised by a white guy who thought he was doing the right thing. I really dont think he has an understanding of the situation at all. Sad really.

Totally disagree with your line of thinking... the 'n' word is offensive whether it is said by a white/black/Asian person and no matter the recipient is... It is no 'understandable slip of the tongue'.... I think you could be talking about yourself there about the understanding by the sound of it ...

I can assure you I have a perfect understanding of what the term means and its implications. My point is, if something like this is in the public domain and there isnt a single complaint from a black person who are the ones that this term is aimed against, it puts it all into perspective. That is the problem, perspective. The n word should not be used at all, but this clearly a mistake made due to the nature and and historic context it was used.

Incidentally, how old are you?

In all sincerity I don't agree - would a sexist complaint towards a woman be only valid when from a woman ? Basically he ought to know better than to use such terms. Anyway mate, we may have to agree to differ otherwise we will go on forever... take care.