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Jacob Rees Mogg

alphabet_king said:
I wonder, do people just hate jacob rees mog because he looks a bit funny, is posh, and is a tory? Are his polocies/views that much worse than many other tories?
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Without turning this into a brexit debate, I’d say yes his views are much worse than many tories.
 
JRM charming, calm and civil (major points for that) but a bit thick. Cut from different cloth from Johnson who is scared of responsibility (not damning by any means), but then plays the hard line purist from the sidelines -those bogus, rubbish Telegraph op eds. Ugh.

BBC -socially liberal is about right -although the BBC news in America is a constant stream of the-world-is-fucked-and-miserable to the point where it's hard to avoid the conclusion that they want to erode everything. Orla Guerin could make a kid's birthday party sound like the aftermath of a disaster. "In spite of everything, the children (we could find no parents, perhaps there are none), bravely try to enjoy themselves in simple ways, hoping that harmful sugar and plastic will provide a sense of the normality which is obviously lacking in their, to this point, so short lives. I'm Óglaigh na hÉireann, reporting for the BBC from somewhere horrible."

Speaking of British cars -330 mile round trip today through snow, sleet and up to 30 mph gusts and complete white outs in a 2006 Disco 3 with 130 thousand on the clock and four hakkapeliittas on the rims to get to a funeral. They're talking 15 inches by tomorrow morning. Bloody scary at times, but, all in all, a perfect day... well except for, you know
 
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jokerman said:
JRM charming, calm and civil (major points for that) but a bit thick. Cut from different cloth from Johnson who is scared of responsibility (not damning by any means), but then plays the hard line purist from the sidelines -those bogus, rubbish Telegraph op eds. Ugh.

BBC -socially liberal is about right -although the BBC news in America is a constant stream of the-world-is-fucked-and-miserable to the point where it's hard to avoid the conclusion that they want to erode everything. Orla Guerin could make a kid's birthday party sound like the aftermath of a disaster. "In spite of everything, the children (we could find no parents, perhaps there are none), bravely try to enjoy themselves in simple ways, hoping that harmful sugar and plastic will provide a sense of the normality which is obviously lacking in their, to this point, so short lives. I'm Óglaigh na hÉireann, reporting for the BBC from somewhere horrible."

Speaking of British cars -330 mile round trip today through snow, sleet and up to 30 mph gusts and complete white outs in a 2006 Disco 3 with 130 thousand on the clock and four hakkapeliittas on the rims to get to a funeral. They're talking 15 inches by tomorrow morning. Bloody scary at times, but, all in all, a perfect day... well except for, you know
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Move to Spain mate , and enjoy proper off roading !
 
They've told us to stay off the streets. No driving. 20 foot waves throwing ice chunks on the the shore of Lake Superior. Power going out as trees come down. We were down to 15 mph on the freeway at times. Totally cool.

I know your off roading. Three wheel tractoring in the dust right?
 
jokerman said:
They've told us to stay off the streets. No driving. 20 foot waves throwing ice chunks on the the shore of Lake Superior. Power going out as trees come down. We were down to 15 mph on the freeway at times. Totally cool.

I know your off roading. Three wheel tractoring in the dust right?
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Yep , pascuali 18hp ,3x3 transmission , I love it !
 
Alderman Barnes said:
I can watch the BBC by fair means or foul, and it's changed beyond measure since I left the country, cowed by decades of the right piling on it for being too "left-wing".

The BBC has never, ever at any point in its history been left-wing. It has always been fundamentally pro-establishment. A good example of this is the constant fawning over the Royal Family, and always towing the line of the government of the day.

What it has been - and what some people confuse with being left wing - is socially liberal. That means having black newsreaders, gay presenters, disabled presenters, equal numbers of women presenters and so on. That's not in itself left-wing. There are plenty of people in the Conservative party who are happy with that. Indeed, there are also a fair few left-wing people who are social bigots.

But of course this got twisted by politicians and journalists acting in bad faith to mean that the BBC is "left-wing", and the lie has been repeated so often as to become a truism, and the cowards and placemen in charge of the organisation have caved in to the extent that BBC news department is now almost entirely run by people who are or have been members of the Conservative party.

On top of this, there's also the deliberate conflation of balance (giving equal airtime to two sides of an unproven argument) and equivalence (giving equal airtime to facts and fiction) which the BBC has been constantly caught doing. Look at the guest lists for Question Time if you have any doubt about that.

The BBC has always had a massive hard-on for Farage, and he was on Question Time practically every bloody week. I think I'm right in saying he's been on there more than anyone else. And never mind the way they recruit the audience members they invite to speak. Even now, half of every BBC news bulletin consists of vox pops from angry Brexit voters in Boston.

How on earth can you say that the BBC is anti-Brexit? I'd say they were largely responsible for causing it.
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A string of superb posts Alderman. Thank you for articulating what I would have wanted to say, but not as well as you.

We've now got this board's self proclaimed number one "socialist" having a pop at the BBC for being supposedly anti EU. As you say Alderman, this conflation of balance is part of the BBC's kow-towing to the right. We have a string of far right nutters given loads of airtime. Meanwhile, a so called "far left" Owen Jones has disappeared and the best we get by way of "balance" is a TIG ffs.

How about a referendum on the NHS funding homeopathy? We'd see the BBC having to give equal time to another bunch of nutters and the public railing against conventional health measures, blaming sensible, real doctors for all their ills, especially the "foreign ones".
 
alphabet_king said:
I wonder, do people just hate jacob rees mog because he looks a bit funny, is posh, and is a tory? Are his polocies/views that much worse than many other tories?
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I love the way a largely good natured and amusing video clip and a well intended post from Buddha has turned in to an escalation of bile from lefties about Mogg, Boris and the Tories!

I think Mogg is a bit of a twat, but at least he knows what he is and plays up to it. I’d sooner that than the public school “do as I say not as I do” toffs, barristers and the like in the Labour Party, many on the shadow front bench.
 
Gills 58 said:
A string of superb posts Alderman. Thank you for articulating what I would have wanted to say, but not as well as you.

We've now got this board's self proclaimed number one "socialist" having a pop at the BBC for being supposedly anti EU. As you say Alderman, this conflation of balance is part of the BBC's kow-towing to the right. We have a string of far right nutters given loads of airtime. Meanwhile, a so called "far left" Owen Jones has disappeared and the best we get by way of "balance" is a TIG ffs.

How about a referendum on the NHS funding homeopathy? We'd see the BBC having to give equal time to another bunch of nutters and the public railing against conventional health measures, blaming sensible, real doctors for all their ills, especially the "foreign ones".
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Yes very good post Alderman. James O'Brian, only half joking, said that if the BBC interviewed Buzz Aldrin about the first moonlanding, they would also interview some nutter who thought it was all concocted in the Nevada desert, 'for balance'.
 
As for the BBC, it is hammered by many from the left as being establishment and Tory and many on the right as being leftist. I think that’s a sign of, in terms of the left v right debate, that it gets thinks broadly right.

My main criticism is that, like many/most public bodies, since Blair (and continued by Cameron), it is ridiculously politically correct and run by those who live in a metropolitan bubble who think they represent and the whole country lives in their little PC bubble when most, who live in small towns or the sticks, outside of London, Manchester and the like really couldn’t give two hoots about diversity for example.
 
The best thing about JRM is that I have heard him on more than one occasion respond with calm and polite logic to expose interviewers (Emma Barnett on radio 5 and Justin Webb I think on the Today programme) who typically refuse to listen to answers and interrupt and persist with the same line of questioning in order to push their own biased agendas. On one occasion recently an interviewer (Emily Maitlis on Newsnight) did get the better of him, because instead of pushing an agenda she was actually making a legitimate point about him contradicting himself on a Brexit issue.

I have never understood why 99% of politicians allow themselves to be intimidated by interviewers without exposing their ignorant refuse-to take-answers-seriously-until-they-have-made -their-own-point-attitudes. I can only conclude that 99% of them do have something to hide so their answers can't actually be trusted. So it says a lot for JRM that whether you agree with him or not, and although he has turned on Brexit more times than a fairground carousel, at least he is sincere.
 
Gills 58 said:
"PC bubble"? Oh how I yearn for he "good old days" when we could be racist and sexist. Not.
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The fact that you term being "anti PC" as yearning for "racism and sexism" sums up the views of those who live in that bubble or lap up what they preach - the sort, a bit like the aforementioned James O'Brien, that rant about tolerance and how wonderfully tolerant they are, then are intolerant of anyone who doesn't agree with them - the escalation of this thread pretty much being a prime example.

Hating political correctness and the "do as I say not as I do" metropolitan elite who want to instil their values on everyone else, does not make me racist or sexist or have a yearning to be such.
 
Arthurly said:
Yes very good post Alderman. James O'Brian, only half joking, said that if the BBC interviewed Buzz Aldrin about the first moonlanding, they would also interview some nutter who thought it was all concocted in the Nevada desert, 'for balance'.
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As opposed to cutting off callers that disagree with you, you mean?
 
Are you joking steve? You make unqualified comments about a 'PC bubble' and you expect people to not associate you with the various instances of sexism and racism that is part of the PC debate? I didnt see you as that stupid tbh.
 
Arthurly said:
Yes very good post Alderman. James O'Brian, only half joking, said that if the BBC interviewed Buzz Aldrin about the first moonlanding, they would also interview some nutter who thought it was all concocted in the Nevada desert, 'for balance'.
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As referenced above, James O'Brien is the epitome of what I am talking about - rich, metropolitan, public school boy on one hand sniping at "toffs" like Boris and Mogg for coming from a background similar to his, but choosing the Telegraph rather than the Guardian (or their parents doing so), whilst on the other hand, mocking and ridiculing anyone from a working class background (Thornberry style) because they don't share his views and aren't as clever and don't know everything like he does. I have heard his show a few times, it usually (other than the times he has Sadiq Khan on for a QA session, which usually involves O'Brien sucking up to him and not challenging him at all) starts with a monologue about something (invariably slating Brexit or the Tories), where he expresses his views as fact, then he proceeds to have a number of Guardian reading guests and callers on to back slap him and guffaw at anyone who doesn't agree with him, with the occasion token working class village idiot (who hasn't the privilege of a public school education like him) on for him to ridicule.

The reason O'Brien probably doesn't like the BBC is that they rightly canned him from Newsnight under their impartiality guidelines (or lack of in his case).
 
Gills 58 said:
"PC bubble"? Oh how I yearn for he "good old days" when we could be racist and sexist. Not.
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You have presumably never heard of the concept of taking an issue too far in the other direction.

Yes, we may reach that totally beige hinterland one day where all people other than male and british can have none of their behaviour questioned, even when they deserve it, and nobody can even make a joke about anything apart from self mockery.

Nurse, make sure all those life instruments are sterile !

New addition to the history curriculum - a sense of humour.
 
Journalism used to be about trying to seek the truth. Of course it used to be skewed according to editor pressure. However, Brexit has highlighted a growing problem on TV. That is too often the presenter just facilitates two positions and unless there is some confronting of what is said the viewer is left with the impression that there are two equally valid positions. There was recently an interesting interview on Channel 4 news involving Susannah Reid formerly UKIP leader and Heidi Allen from the Independant Group. Reid claimed that polling showed that people now favoured ‘no deal’. Krishna Gurnamurtyh challenged this by pointing out that wasn’t true and when she tried to repeat it he continued to ask her for the evidence of this. He’s right in terms of the evidence. When Heidi Allen said there is polling support for a second referendum, which is true, he asked her for her evidence for that that she hadn’t come prepared with. So he was completely fair to both. It was exactly the kind of thing I would want from all interviewers. The BBC has been guilty of a lack of challenge of false and misleading statements and has let itself down badly throughout the Brexit process. John Humphrys’ featherbed interviewers approach to a never ending parade of brexiteer supporters on his Today programme has been a disgrace. The lack of challenge to JRM has been one of the problems.
 
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