It cost them a bit as well ..... the Glazers wont he happy!!

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Wswilly3

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Manchester United have missed out on a bumper European payday, but their Champions League exit is not as costly as last season's failure to make it out of the group stage.

United will bank £34million (39m euros) from UEFA compared to £30.4m (35.1m euros) last season, but if Sir Alex Ferguson's side had gone all the way to the final they could have expected to top the £56million mark (65m euros).

The financial implications are not limited to media income from UEFA, however. A victory in the Champions League can also trigger sponsorship bonuses and increase the commercial value of a team.

When merchandise and gate money is taken into account, analysts believe that Champions League winners can effectively match the sum they will earn from UEFA.

Even in terms of the television money and bonuses from UEFA, the value of getting to the final is huge - Chelsea, who beat Bayern Munich to win the competition last year, received £51.7m from the European competition organiser and allowed the club to record a small profit for the first time in the Roman Abramovich era.

United's comparative failure last season saw the club's revenues fall for the first time since the Glazers' takeover.

The other three English clubs will all earn similar amounts from the Champions League this season, unless Arsenal can stage a remarkable comeback against Bayern Munich next week.

Arsenal can expect £29.7m (34.3m euros) from UEFA, Chelsea £29.4m (34.2m euros) and Manchester City £27.8m (32.2m euros).

How the income is calculated in the Champions League:

:: Each of the 32 teams involved in the group stage collect a base fee of 8.6m euros (£7.5m), plus 1m euros for a win and 500,000 euros for a draw.

:: Teams in the last 16 pick up 3.5m euros, quarter-finalists 3.9m euros and semi-finalists 4.9m euros. Champions League winners receive 10.5m euros and the runners-up 6.5m euros.

:: Television market pool is distributed according to the value of each country's television market. England's is around £75m (86m euros) annually and half of this is split, with 30 per cent going to the Champions League winners (Chelsea), 30 per cent to domestic champions (Man City), 30 percent to runners-up (Man Utd) and 10 percent to third-place (Arsenal).

:: The other half of the £75m euros market pool distribution is based on the number of matches each club plays in the Champions League - Manchester United and Arsenal have played eight, Chelsea and Manchester City six.
 
Purely for monetary reasons we need to hang onto that 2nd place, it could be the difference in reducing our losses even further
 
Strange that we're seen as European failures when the rags have played a sum total of 180 minutes more Champions League football than us in the past two seasons.
 
fifthcolumnblue - 6/3/2013 22:23

Strange that we're seen as European failures when the rags have played a sum total of 180 minutes more Champions League football than us in the past two seasons.
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An inconvenient truth.
 
Fergie is an overrated manager at European level. 27 years at United the "biggest club on the planet", 2 European Cup/Champions League trophies and both were very lucky (Bayern battered them, Terry slipped in the shootout). His tactics that work so well here have never had quite the same effect plus they don't have the referees in their pocket most of the time as we saw last night.

We should aspire to surpass United in Europe. We may not be able to domestically in our lifetime, but they've only won the European Cup/Champions League thrice, twice since football was invented in 1992. It's a hard competition to win but not impossible, although I'm not sure Mancini is the man we can conquer Europe with based on his track record in the competition.
 
Well, they've also lost a final. And if we're saying they got lucky well, we only just won the title last season. F******* also won the European Cup at Aberdeen and has won the UEFA Cup with the rags (I think - not too clued up on their history, obviously). Compare Mancini with F******* and I'm afraid there is only one winner.

We've not set Europe on fire, far from it, we're new to this game and were perhaps expecting too much. When we've got out of the group stages then we can maybe crow about it. Until then we have the FA Cup to try and win and second place to hang onto.

 
Ironically, the Uefa cup is the only trophy Ferguson hasn't won.

The rags won in the past because they could afford the best players in order to compete. They no longer can, and, as witnessed by last seasons performances especially, it certainly shows. Their upturn in form in the league has been due to one player - RVP, but they are still not as good as a number of the major European sides.

I agree with Stu, their two wins were incredibly lucky, and the utter spanking they got from Barca in the final they lost shows exactly how clueless Ferguson actually is. A great manager would have used whatever tactics it took to shut barca out, but Ferguson was too involved in the "Myth of united" to change his game plan.

Mancini has at least shown a willingness to learn from his. (Wenger is also another manager who is completely overrated IMO)
 
kenny, he won the Cup Winners Cup at Aberdeen not the main European Cup (Champions League).

When Nani got sent off last night, Mourinho was shrewd and quickly made personnel and tactical changes while Ferguson was making an arse of himself storming down the steps and screaming at the fourth official. Real went on to dominate and win. Had Real gone down to 10, Mourinho would have quickly changed tactics to try and get the most out of the match.

He may be unpopular here but for me Mourinho is a better manager than Ferguson and I pray he doesn't end up at United. Mourinho teams (four of them) have played United 16 times and lost only 3, one of them being the pre-season Charity Shield. No other manager has scared Baconface as much as Jose did at Chelsea and if Roman had stuck by him through his first bad patch at the club Chelsea probably would have won more league titles than they have.
 
I agree that he's a great manager, Stu...but he wouldn't fit with us because the press wouldn't let him succeed. We saw it just now, with this discussion, and all of the websites pointing out just how hypocritical the rags and press are when it comes to red card and other decisions. If he signed with us, every single decision or play would be criticized by the press, and it would be their goal to get him fired. He'll either stay with Madrid or go to PSG if they can't win the Champions League. I doubt he'll go to the rags.
 
Looked to me like he (Mourhino) was auditioning for the OT job. Like Stu I also fear he may take over from Ferguson, and it may well be sooner rather than later. His win percentage is better than Fergusons. He may be 'unpopular' but his record speaks for itself. Not sure what more the guy can achieve before he's actually creditted with being any good.
 
He's recognised as one of the best in the world Brutto. He's a p***k though, the problem most have with him is that he's a short term manager, a three year man that gets what he can from the superstars he surrounds himself with and then **cks off leaving a spent force behind him.
 
I think Mourinho is Chelsea bound and he will make a big difference there. If he does go there and with Pep now at Bayern it leaves quite a problem for the Scum hierarchy........ what about Roy Keane or Mark Hughes or Steve Bruce ........no chance unfortunately but there are no rally obvious candidates if Rednose goes......which just suits him fine.
 
I know it's a bit rich coming from this old canute, but Bobby Charlton doesn't sound too imporessed with Mourinho.

Personally, I suspect the rags have already sounded out Mourinho about replacing the alcoholic, but he has demanded too much from them and this is merely a negotiating technique.

I mean, when has disgraceful behaviour from a manager ever mattered at the swamp?

Watch this space.

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Sir Bobby Charlton says José Mourinho would not suit Manchester United

He's a good coach but that is as far as I would go, says Charlton, far from impressed by the Real manager's antics

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/dec/07/bobby-charlton-jose-mourinho-manchester-united
 
Wswilly3 - 7/3/2013 09:00

I think Mourinho is Chelsea bound and he will make a big difference there. If he does go there and with Pep now at Bayern it leaves quite a problem for the Scum hierarchy........ what about Roy Keane or Mark Hughes or Steve Bruce ........no chance unfortunately but there are no rally obvious candidates if Rednose goes......which just suits him fine.
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Howard Wilkinson is still looking for a club. I bet he could shake that monkey off their shoulders.

Happy days!!!!
 
kennyclementstache - 6/3/2013 23:47

Well, they've also lost a final. And if we're saying they got lucky well, we only just won the title last season. F******* also won the European Cup at Aberdeen and has won the UEFA Cup with the rags (I think - not too clued up on their history, obviously). Compare Mancini with F******* and I'm afraid there is only one winner.

We've not set Europe on fire, far from it, we're new to this game and were perhaps expecting too much. When we've got out of the group stages then we can maybe crow about it. Until then we have the FA Cup to try and win and second place to hang onto.
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They've lost 2 finals Kenny but were completely out-classed each time. He won the Cup Winners Cup at Aberdeen. Mancio has only been with us now for nearly 3 full seasons. He's qualified us for Champions League twice and we are on target for a third. He's won us a Premiership title and prior to that an FA Cup. We've also finished third and probably second in the Premiership this year. We've also won the Community Shield. We might even win something this year with us being in the latter stages of the FA Cup.

Since he joined us, for the first few games against the 'rags' with Hughes's players, his record against baconface is :-

Won 4
Lost 5 (including the FA Cup game when without even contacting Nani Kompany was sent off).
Drawn 1.

Bearing in mind baconface was at the 'rags' for at least 5 years before he won anything, I don't think you can so readily say "there is only one winner".

Mancio has had to take on a team and club with no confidence against the 'rags' with a history of never winning against them and he has turned it round almost single-handedly.
 
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