Israel showing its true colours again

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Yvonne Ridley

It was 12 years in the making and frankly many of us never believed it would happen, but just a few hours ago Iran and six major world powers reached a nuclear deal which is worth a global Mexican Wave. The historic deal will mean an end to the cruel sanctions by the United States, European Union and United Nations which have been imposed in stages on the Iranian people since the Islamic Revolution of 1979.

Like most sanctions, the hardest hit were millions of ordinary Iranians while the leaders they were meant to target escaped relatively unscathed. Sanctions rarely work. In Iraq the entire middle class was wiped out financially by the US-driven sanctions which served only to make Saddam and his regime even stronger in the region.

Now, at least, Iran's 77 million citizens can look forward to a life without sanctions after the country agreed to long-term restrictions on its nuclear energy programme which the West suspected would one day morph into nuclear weapons.

As a visitor to Iran and someone who has spoken with ordinary citizens about their hardships, I know that the lifting of sanctions will mean access to much-needed medicines, especially for cancer sufferers; it will mean spare parts for ageing aircraft and so will make flying much safer; and Persian carpet traders will be able to sell their goods to tourists who will be able to use their credit cards and hole-in-the-wall cash machines. Although Western TV viewers are often spoon-fed on a diet of Iranian street protests with crowds chanting "Death to America", the reality is that the majority of Iranians admire and emulate some aspects of Western culture and lifestyle, especially among the youth.

You would think, therefore, that the historic end of the negotiations on a successful note would be a cause for universal celebration, especially in the volatile Middle East where good news is scarce, but you'd be wrong; Israel is leading the cabal of those outraged by the landmark deal. Unable and unwilling to conceal his outrage, Benjamin Netanyahu called it a "historic surrender" and immediately began lobbying the hawks and hardliners in America to try and scupper what is viewed as a major policy victory for US President Barack Obama.

I think that one reason for Netanyahu's bile is that if four permanent members of the UN Security Council - Britain, China, France and Russia - could set aside their differences and, with Germany and America (making up the "P5+1"), come together for the sake of peace, they might now turn their mutual attention to finding a just outcome for the Palestinians. If nothing else, the P5+1 deal has proven that international diplomacy is far more effective than bombs, bullets and sanctions. It is the civilised way to move forward to reach peaceful agreements in an atmosphere of hope instead of hate.

Sadly, according to Netanyahu, the deal is "a bad mistake of historic proportions... Iran will get a jackpot, a cash bonanza of hundreds of billions of dollars, which will enable it to continue to pursue its aggression and terror in the region and in the world." He insists that Iran is on a "sure path to nuclear weapons."

Ironically, Netanyahu's words could so easily describe his own country, Israel. It receives billions of dollars' worth of aid from US taxpayers which has enabled it to pursue its colonial ambitions and aggression in the region while making threats to those who challenge its illegal actions and human rights violations. Israel also has a nuclear arsenal, the only one in the Middle East, the existence of which it still denies; it has never agreed to access for any weapons inspector, UN or otherwise.

In an act of unashamedly naked aggression, the Zionist state's Deputy Foreign Minister, Tzipi Hotovely, took to Twitter, promising that Israel would "act with all means to try and stop the agreement being ratified." The message was directed towards the Republican-controlled US Congress over which the pro-Israel lobby has a profound influence. It's true that US politicians have a 60-day window in which to scrutinise the deal, but even if Congress votes against it, Obama can veto the rejection. In any event, it would need two-thirds of Congress to override his veto and that would require a Democrat revolt against the president.

This is an unlikely scenario for many reasons, not least his lacklustre performance as a US president who was swept into power on a series of promises which never materialised (and don't even mention Guantanamo). If history is to look kindly on the Obama Administration he needs some foreign policy success after the spectacular failure of the Middle East peace process, and this deal with Iran looks like it.

The real work and input from Washington began behind closed doors more than two years ago following the election of Iran's President Hassan Rouhani. Both he and Obama adopted a pragmatic approach which was made easier after Rouhani made it clear in his election speeches that he wanted to see an end to Iran's diplomatic isolation. The final talks in Vienna were excruciating and involved virtually three weeks of intensive discussions between US Secretary of State John Kerry and Iran's Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif.

Iran can thus look forward to an economic boom. The state news agency, IRNA, says that billions of dollars of frozen funds will now be released and crippling sanctions on its central bank, national oil company, shipping and airlines will be lifted. This is great news for the Iranian people and bad news for those who've suddenly lost their bogeyman. Get over it, Netanyahu.

 
They need to be put in line if you ask me

Been let lose like a rabid dog for too long now
 
What a frightening mess it is in the middle east. So much hatred, so much war, so much suffering.

Mankind really is a very stupid species :21:
 
I imagine if the leaders/rulers of Iran stopped PUBLICLY stating they want to wipe Israel off the face of the planet with nuclear weapons, Israel and their allies might enter into civilised grown up discussions about their nuclear arsenal.

Be interesting to see how long Iran keeps up the façade, not long at all I imagine.
 
Alot of people are anti Israel blaming them for so much. Two people who I knew like that had to spend some time there which we all thought would be interesting. They came back with a completely different tune. They seen the reality and found out that Israel weren't the bad guys in all this and that the other countries/areas weren't as white as they thought. Passing on experiences.

Agrees with rosie
 
I agree with Rosie too. The Jews are the most persecuted race in history. All they want is to live but are constantly being threatened. Ok, so do the Palestinians, the Iranians etc etc but it's an age old problem and again religion is pretty close to the top of the list of causes.
 
Maybe the US need the Iranians to help clean up the mess they created in the Middle East. Iran will be more than happy to deal with IS.
 
The Fear - 14/7/2015 19:22

Mankind really is a very stupid species :21:


And that's the reason we have had no real contact with other intelligent life yet. They must be prohibited by the Prime Directive.


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........I'll get me coat


 
Pride of Lions - 15/7/2015 02:00

I agree with Rosie too. The Jews are the most persecuted race in history. All they want is to live but are constantly being threatened. Ok, so do the Palestinians, the Iranians etc etc but it's an age old problem and again religion is pretty close to the top of the list of causes.

I'm so glad you've bought into all their propaganda. It makes it all so much more worthwhile that they made the effort.

All sides are as bad as the others, but Israel are certainly not innocent. The Jews have persecuted others for 3,500 years. They have no right to the land they now hold, which they have attained through violence and terrorism.

If we are ever going to attain peace, we need to start somewhere. Lets give this peace deal a chance, shall we?
 
What a pompous dick. Taking a very complicated subject, and dumb it down to such a level you sound knowledgeable.

The holocaust could happen again, he says. Of course, that ignores the fact that many would like to see the mass genocide of Muslims.

As I say, they are all as bad as each other. Stop acting like children, and sort yourselves out.
 
Stephen Jay Hawkings - 15/7/2015 04:36

The Fear - 14/7/2015 19:22

Mankind really is a very stupid species :21:


And that's the reason we have had no real contact with other intelligent life yet. They must be prohibited by the Prime Directive.


:171:


........I'll get me coat
I disagree, i don't think this is why them Aliens ay come down to earth because i think they am already ruling us from the top we just don't realise it! :139:

As for the Isreal machine, sympathy from by gone era's is not an excuse to want to bomb the sh*t out of anybody, Iran has signed a new deal that is full proof 98% of Uranium destryoed whilst being monitored by the UN and the UN have access to anywhere in Iran they wish to inspect as part of this deal, imo this is fine and hopefully the start of Iran modernising cos its been a shame for the real people living there with the sanctions imposed on them when they ay done nothing wrong!!

I don't trust the Iran elite rulers tbh but at least we can check on them and make sure they ay up to no good, Isreal always wants what it wants but sorry you can not have it both ways, Isreal deserves peace but when they stop creating terrorists in the Gaza strip palestine then maybe just maybe there is a chance for peace, but religion is aslways going to put the spanner in the works ay it, some will use it as an excuse on both sides to cause bloodshed ffs :21:
 
RosettaStoned - 14/7/2015 21:38

I imagine if the leaders/rulers of Iran stopped PUBLICLY stating they want to wipe Israel off the face of the planet with nuclear weapons, Israel and their allies might enter into civilised grown up discussions about their nuclear arsenal.

Be interesting to see how long Iran keeps up the façade, not long at all I imagine.

Don't want to be anti-semetic and all - but isn't the same true vice versa?

Or do we forgive the forging of passports for the created country because of the West's guilt after the WW? Or the civilian launched rockets because they have a better PR team behind them?

We're talking two school children in the playground giving it the 'my dad's bigger' routine - one side had the US the other religion.

Bad as each other and like normal it's the real people who suffer - not the ambassadors and mouthpieces and the sooner the world realises they both need a slap probably the better.

If it is a facade from Iran, at least that's an effort.
 
kefkat - 14/7/2015 21:56

Alot of people are anti Israel blaming them for so much. Two people who I knew like that had to spend some time there which we all thought would be interesting. They came back with a completely different tune. They seen the reality and found out that Israel weren't the bad guys in all this and that the other countries/areas weren't as white as they thought. Passing on experiences.

Agrees with rosie

Funny Kef - the exact same people who go to Palestine say the same.

Maybe it's time to stop taking historical or religious sides?

And judge them both on what they are.
 
Pride of Lions - 15/7/2015 02:00

I agree with Rosie too. The Jews are the most persecuted race in history. All they want is to live but are constantly being threatened. Ok, so do the Palestinians, the Iranians etc etc but it's an age old problem and again religion is pretty close to the top of the list of causes.

LOL PoL - sorry dude I know I'm proving a point but really?

All the historical religious battles engaged by the Catholic Church, The Templars and Mercs and our very own Empire and the Jews are the most persecuted?

Hollywood wrote WW2 especially well didn't they.

You are right though religion is the cause - one of these days people will realise if there is a God it's the same bloody entity - the differences come from mankind trying to be the ruling elite within that religion so everyone else suffers and they live it up like rockstars.

Belief is a different thing - a belief doesn't mean you have a Nazi youth as Pope etc for all every single religion. But I'll end with a belief doesn't mean if you're a scientologist you don't realise your leader is a fucking science fiction writer PMSL

You're also right in the comment effectively it's both sides - it's not the people, they suffer - it's the people who want to be big, important and have control that are the problem.
 
NI Villan - 15/7/2015 02:23

Maybe the US need the Iranians to help clean up the mess they created in the Middle East. Iran will be more than happy to deal with IS.

Who'd have thought I'd agree Iran was the more moderate? lol

But it is a good point, if it wasn't the fact these discussions had been going on for years - and we're still ignoring the point of do we trust the US and the UK and France, Germany etc to be more sensible with Nukes??

I don't.

Why can we have nukes and tell another country they can't - what makes us special?
 
HeathfieldRoad1874 - 15/7/2015 09:55

The holocaust could happen again, he says. Of course, that ignores the fact that many would like to see the mass genocide of Muslims.

RS, I'll admit clearly here I didn't watch either video I'm being led by Heath's comments.

I might open myself up there mate so I'll be upfront.

The holocaust could happen?

That would be genocide then....the same as we see annually in Africa for example. Syria now. Libya. And countless other counties around the world where dictators or a ruling elite think they know best based on purely wanting the best for them.

But we should panic here and ignore reality?

Are we now rating tragedies that suit agendas?

Are we now condoning murder that suits us?

What is the best we can do, a moral consensus.

Even Moslems agree IS are slightly out of order - terrorists not just to our life but their own religion because it's a bastardisation because they want power - it's nothing to do with religion it's Hitler on speed and probably somewhere trained and funded by the CI fucking A. Same as Bin Liner.

Israel and Palestine - different kettle of fish. Two children lobbing explosive potatoes and maybe had the US not sucked up for so long given WW2 and everything that came from that - and considered not letting Israel get away with 'retaliatory' efforts this would already be sorted.

TV now streams 'nightmare neighbours' I'm yet to see them arm them.

But we can blame every other dictator and country on the planet for their actions but as the UK we aren't going to lose the economic pleasures the arms race and trade gives us are we.

As long as it doesn't come too close eh.
 
You know folks.

It's times like this where my Herr Flick avatar really overshadows my thoughts and intelligence.

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