Is Easter still about Christ?

HeathfieldRoad1874 - 6/4/2015 11:38

kefkat - 5/4/2015 22:22

ClivetheVillan - 5/4/2015 21:22

Now strike me down and call me sandra i never realised Easter was not properly about Jesus, always taught it was as a kid growing up, probably cos my nan was Catholic or something dunno.
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Think about it. It couldn't' be. All these traditions came into place after Christ life/death or however you wish to describe it. None of it was in place when Jesus died. It all has everything does manifested over centuries.

Easter and Christmas are all festivals set up to go directly opposite Pagan festivals. Obviously our faith was entitled to set up festivals, of celebrations, however they were deliberately set up against pagan faith.

Because we were essentially a Christian country back then and nothing else was really taught in school about other faiths, that is why you would think that.
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In the politest possible manner, that is absolute rubbish. Christmas Trees, Easter Eggs, Easter Bunnies, Mistletoe, Yule Logs, Gift giving. They have nothing to do with Christ, and all existed well before Christianity ever did.

These weren't festivals set up opposite the existing Pagan ones. They merged with them, so the devious Christians could gain more control. They couldn't convert everyone, so they lied to them.

It shocks me that so many Christians don't know their true history.
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I know all that Heath. That is what I said, as far as I am concerned.

An example though of Christmas trees weren't introduced until the 15/16 00's. They weren't introduced to The U.K until the 1800.

They were bought in by Prince Albert, Queen Victoria Husband, as he was German and that is where the tradition originated from
 
Clive there is nothing wrong IMHO teaching your children about Jesus and his life, telling them the stories of his life and reading them the parables. The parables are stories we can all learn from. it is how you teach them about The Bible, is the thing, Clive
 
I didn't have any eggs but I did have a packet of whisky truffles.

I hope that moves the debate forward.
 
kefkat - 6/4/2015 13:11

I know all that Heath. That is what I said, as far as I am concerned.

An example though of Christmas trees weren't introduced until the 15/16 00's. They weren't introduced to The U.K until the 1800.

They were bought in by Prince Albert, Queen Victoria Husband, as he was German and that is where the tradition originated from
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In that case, perhaps you could go back and edit the first post? I suggest this, because you've actually said something completely different. You've suggested the Christian festivals were placed on o near the Pagan ones, and the traditions we now associate only came about after Christ.

As an example, whilst a Christmas tree in the House is relatively recent, decorating trees at the Winter solstice dates back long before the Romans invaded us. It was thought the spirits had deserted us, when the leaves all fell, and decorating them encouraged them back.

Almost every major tradition around a Christian festival is not Christian in origin. It's interesting, isn't it.
 
HeathfieldRoad1874 - 6/4/2015 08:59

I don't mean to offend those of you that believe fully, John. I am referring to the article, and the points it makes. Surely you can see the irony? Easter now being hijacked by big business, and the Church that hijacked it originally complaining about that. You couldn't make it up.

That the writer complains an Egg reminds people to go to the shops, not Church should not be surprising. It's a Pagan image, not Christian!!!

There are wider issues, as well. I've complained on here before about the way the Census asks questions on Religion, and once again we have a someone writing that 60% of British are Christians. That plainly isn't the case, yet we still have to put up with misrepresentation like this.

And finally, Juan was correct. It is not an opinion that a festival based around the phases of the Moon is entirely Pagan in origin. It should be heresy for any Christian to worship anyone but God, but when it helps spread the faith, it seems it's OK.
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Heath, I'm not in the least offended! And, yes, I do see the irony.
As regards 60% of Britons claiming to be Christian, I think that's mostly a cultural thing. Ireland is seen as a "Catholic" country, yet only around 20% go to Mass every Sunday. Yet close to 100% of "Catholic" children in Ireland will be christened, receive their first communion and be confirmed.
Yes, I think it's all a bit pointless, too.
Juan, of course, is always right about everything. This is the man who told us all that Vimto is the nectar of the Gods; something I had always known in my heart of hearts.
I'm back from work and will be getting stuck into the chocolate shortly - only joking, Juan....
 
HeathfieldRoad1874 - 6/4/2015 14:00

LOL. I'm not sure Juan is right about everything!!!! I'd have to wear a tinfoil hat if he was!!!
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Tinfoil hats are on special at Lidl today. I'd get down there if I were you.
 
Stephen Jay Hawkings - 6/4/2015 14:16

BBJ - 6/4/2015 13:47

Yet close to 100% of "Catholic" children in Ireland will be christened, receive their first communion and be confirmed.
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Any excuse for a pissup :17:
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Well, there is that too. :14:
 
I disagree, Juan is right about everything, he is like a Guru that oozes stuff that makes me think, take for instance he has stopped me filling my gut of sugar and almost cut down my sugar in coffee and tea intake, cosi always think of Juan as Sid Cownas tutting and telling me the damage and sugar being a drug,,,,that is power!!
 
BBJ - 6/4/2015 13:47

Heath, I'm not in the least offended! And, yes, I do see the irony.
As regards 60% of Britons claiming to be Christian, I think that's mostly a cultural thing. Ireland is seen as a "Catholic" country, yet only around 20% go to Mass every Sunday. Yet close to 100% of "Catholic" children in Ireland will be christened, receive their first communion and be confirmed.
Yes, I think it's all a bit pointless, too.
Juan, of course, is always right about everything. This is the man who told us all that Vimto is the nectar of the Gods; something I had always known in my heart of hearts.
I'm back from work and will be getting stuck into the chocolate shortly - only joking, Juan....
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I havent been in a long time but do you really think its 20%? I wouldnt have thought so in my time... Last time I went to a mass that wasnt a family obligation i.e. lines up with a death etc. I must have been 11 or 12... Right around confirmation time...

Tell you one thing one of the hardest things about being away from home is not getting an Easter Egg...

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CDX_EIRE - 7/4/2015 18:13

BBJ - 6/4/2015 13:47

Heath, I'm not in the least offended! And, yes, I do see the irony.
As regards 60% of Britons claiming to be Christian, I think that's mostly a cultural thing. Ireland is seen as a "Catholic" country, yet only around 20% go to Mass every Sunday. Yet close to 100% of "Catholic" children in Ireland will be christened, receive their first communion and be confirmed.
Yes, I think it's all a bit pointless, too.
Juan, of course, is always right about everything. This is the man who told us all that Vimto is the nectar of the Gods; something I had always known in my heart of hearts.
I'm back from work and will be getting stuck into the chocolate shortly - only joking, Juan....
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I havent been in a long time but do you really think its 20%? I wouldnt have thought so in my time... Last time I went to a mass that wasnt a family obligation i.e. lines up with a death etc. I must have been 11 or 12... Right around confirmation time...

Tell you one thing one of the hardest things about being away from home is not getting an Easter Egg...

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Well, I reckon it's less than 20% in Dublin but it'd more than that down the country. Whatever the exact figure, it's a huge turnaround in a relatively short period of time.
What's for sure is that, in the same way that many English people are nominally C of E, many Irish people are merely "four wheel" Catholics, ie christenings, weddings and funerals.
Yes, you'd miss the old Easter Egg, washed down with Club Orange!
 
Haha yeah thats probably right back home where Im from its definitely less than 20% but I do see others from the likes of Kilkenny and such that I know who go the odd time...
Pretty spot on assessement and then you get the odd few people who also follow lent... Guy in work from Liverpool but has an Irish mother is fairly religious... Went to mass at the weekend, follows lent and took Monday off as a holiday because we dont get it here... Surprised me!

I do wonder how much the likes of christenings, confirmation etc. is due to family pressure or just people going with the flow because thats what everyone does...
I'll probably end up going with the flow too just because...
 
Well been telling the Mrs Easter is about fertility so more sex is required to fully appreciate Easter the proper way, i don't think my Mrs is very Easter freindly tbh, chocolate eggs will send you to hell her won't have it.
 
The Easter Bunny fought valiantly against the 12 Despicable's to bring us our chocolate eggs and we should appreciate it!!

"And low, to the sound of Bright Eye's, the Easter Bunny was gently laid to rest in his burrow, a solid carved egg was rolled in front of the hole to his resting place for forever shall he rest."

"Yet on the 3rd morning of school term, the rock had been moved, and chocolate eggs had been laid as far as the eye could see to yonder, and Easter was born".

True story.
 
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