Ireland; home of the tax-dodgers...

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Ireland: We are 'not to blame' for Apple tax affairs
Ireland refused to take the blame Apple's low global tax payments after a US Senate report said the company paid little or nothing on billions of dollars of profits stashed in Irish subsidiaries.

A panel of senior politicians are set to quiz chief executive Tim Cook and two other senior executives at Apple on the findings of an investigation by the US Senate on Tuesday. Photo: AP
By Denise Roland
1:17PM BST 21 May 2013

The US Senate Committee unleashed heavy criticism on the California-based company on Monday, branding its complex structure the "Holy Grail of tax avoidance". According to a Committee report, the structure includes three Irish-based subsidiaries that appear not to be a tax resident anywhere in the world.

"They are not issues that arise from the Irish taxation system," deputy prime minister Eamon Gilmore told national broadcaster RTE on Tuesday when asked about the report.

"They are issues that arise from the taxation systems in other jurisdictions and that is an issue that has to be addressed first of all in those jurisdictions."

A panel of senior politicians are set to quiz chief executive Tim Cook and two other senior executives at Apple on the findings of an investigation by the US Senate on Tuesday. The report focuses on three subsidiaries based in Ireland, which, it claims, have allowed Apple to avoid billions of dollars in US income tax.

The Senate report alleges that Apple pays no tax on the $30bn income generated between 2009 and 2012 at one Ireland-based subsidiary, Apple Operations International (AOI). It says that by incorporating AOI in Ireland but managing it from the US, Apple has taken advantage of a tax loophole whereby Ireland only asserts tax jurisdiction on companies managed there and the US bases tax residency on where a company is incorporated. As such, Apple is not tax resident in either country.


It goes on to accuse Apple of paying an effective tax rate of just 0.05pc on the $74bn income attached to another Irish subsidiary, Apple Sales International (ASI), and of declaring no tax residency for a third, Apple Operations Europe (AOE).

"Apple claims to be the largest US corporate taxpayer, but by sheer size and scale, it is also among America's largest tax avoiders,” said Senator John McCain, who co-authored the report with Senator Carl Levin.

Apple funnels profits from its overseas sales into ASI and AOE through a deal struck thirty years ago, in which the Irish subsidiaries share the costs of research and development activities in the US in exchange for certain intellectual property licences on the resulting products. The licenses grant the Irish subsidiaries the right to the profits generated from sales of Apple products outside the US.

Apple has said in filings with the US Securities and Exchange Commission that it has $40.4bn in earnings outside the US on which it hasn’t paid US taxes. If Apple brought that money back to the US, the company would owe $13.8bn, according to the filings.
 
I think you'll find other Nations and Principalities are official home of tax dodgers.

In fact Tottenham's own Joe Lewis is making a good go of it for some time now in the Caribbean.

But it's not unlike you to give a dig at the Irish, is it now Ex!

Cue "begorragh", "bejesus" and all the rest...
 
Big difference between tax management and tax avoidance. Apple hasn't done anything illegal. They have just found holes in the system. And if they are doing it you can bet there are hundreds of others doing it as well. The U.S. tax code is the problem....along with several other countries. Good luck getting them all to cooperate to eliminate this problem.
 
Crap. Ireland happens to have an enlightened approach to taxation and recognises it has to compete to attract business from around the world. Ireland is not stopping any other country from reducing its tax threshold, especially regarding corporation tax, and its government understands that it will have a higher tax take including employees of these companies that relocate there paying tax. It is better to get 12% of something than 20% of nothing, eh Mr. Osborne?
 
lordjohnny - 25/5/2013 22:47

Crap. Ireland happens to have an enlightened approach to taxation and recognises it has to compete to attract business from around the world. Ireland is not stopping any other country from reducing its tax threshold, especially regarding corporation tax, and its government understands that it will have a higher tax take including employees of these companies that relocate there paying tax. It is better to get 12% of something than 20% of nothing, eh Mr. Osborne?

I competely agree...of course what I was really pointing to is that Irelands smart use of it's tax system allegedly undermines the EU/Euro 'we're all signed to the same rules' approach and as Ireland is literally brought to heel by the EU/Eurozone - what will it do then?
 
So, Spursex, the pejorative headline should really have read...'Ireland, the smart tax system that encourages investment and job creation, and irrelevant jealousy elsewhere'?
It really fecks me off when I hear ignoramus socialists talking their usual crapola about tax-dodging. There is no such thing as tax dodging. You either pay the tax legally due or you break the law. Of course, leftists think tax is an inalienable right of big government to take as much as they want, to squander on all manner of schemes. They have as weak a grasp of economics as they do of the real world, and it should be tattooed on their foreheads that, irrespective of levels, which are abstract, the tax take is actual, and key, and generally the more benign the tax regime, the higher the tax take, in direct and indirect taxation. This has always been the case historically. Britain should be following Ireland's lead, rather than debating the politics of envy with ar****les like Millibean and Balls about perceived avoidance. Luckily the EUSSR's power has yet to extend to uniform tax rules. That is when the crap really will hit the fan.
 
lordjohnny - 29/5/2013 13:15

So, Spursex, the pejorative headline should really have read...'Ireland, the smart tax system that encourages investment and job creation, and irrelevant jealousy elsewhere'?
It really fecks me off when I hear ignoramus socialists talking their usual crapola about tax-dodging. There is no such thing as tax dodging. You either pay the tax legally due or you break the law. Of course, leftists think tax is an inalienable right of big government to take as much as they want, to squander on all manner of schemes. They have as weak a grasp of economics as they do of the real world, and it should be tattooed on their foreheads that, irrespective of levels, which are abstract, the tax take is actual, and key, and generally the more benign the tax regime, the higher the tax take, in direct and indirect taxation. This has always been the case historically. Britain should be following Ireland's lead, rather than debating the politics of envy with ar****les like Millibean and Balls about perceived avoidance. Luckily the EUSSR's power has yet to extend to uniform tax rules. That is when the crap really will hit the fan.

LOL!

Yes, it could have said that if I could fit it all in...

as for the rest, you're on the money!
 
I agree with the above. However, large corporations that take advantage of significant infrastructure funded by the tax payer and then proceed to book profits derived from that tax jurisdiction elsewhere annoy me.

Now we have the issue of aging infrastructure in many developed nations that needs to be replaced. Should we burden the tax payer who is unable to afford these complex tax structures with this enormous cost, os should we start applying user fees to correct the problem? I am completely in accord with market driven economies. I am not in accord with transfer pricing.