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Walt, agree with all that. It is down to Southgate and that is why I don't like him either!. Another yes man landed a cushy number. talented players got him to WC semi, has the easiest group to contend with in the qualifiers, his tinkering and overhyping of some youngsters is bit of a joke. Reminds me a little of Poch, spoiling these kids with his lovey dovey approach. They think they've made it and start partying whilst on Int'l duty. I can not see England winning anything under him. What winning experience does he bring?. Some of the selected players aren't fit to wear the shirt, barely PL level. Shame as there are some gems amongst this lot.

At half time Keane was critical of Kane dropping deep. TBH, there was dearth of creativity in the midfield and he was getting pissed off seeing all the backwards and sideways. We know why he does that playing for Spurs!!!

You are spot on about Southgate. He is a very lucky man to get the job at the right time after Big Sam bottled it. He's tactically inept and devaluing the value of international caps by having on average 7 or 8 debutants a year. That has meant that the pool of players is about 40 strong now with nothing settled about the 1st team.

You just know that all this lot will ever be is "potential" as the FA's yes man is inacapble of shaping anything.
 
Walt, agree with all that. It is down to Southgate and that is why I don't like him either!. Another yes man landed a cushy number. talented players got him to WC semi, has the easiest group to contend with in the qualifiers, his tinkering and overhyping of some youngsters is bit of a joke. Reminds me a little of Poch, spoiling these kids with his lovey dovey approach. They think they've made it and start partying whilst on Int'l duty. I can not see England winning anything under him. What winning experience does he bring?. Some of the selected players aren't fit to wear the shirt, barely PL level. Shame as there are some gems amongst this lot.

At half time Keane was critical of Kane dropping deep. TBH, there was dearth of creativity in the midfield and he was getting pissed off seeing all the backwards and sideways. We know why he does that playing for Spurs!!!
Exactly , Critical . ..... there reason he was dropping back was so that he could get a feel of what the ball was like , and what it felt like to have it any where near him . He was never going to get that with the ballet dancers we had in midfield playing to their own agenda ,

Kin walkers first thought now is to pass the ball backwards . Every ball . He plays with his back to the sideline . and as he hasn’t got a left foot , he has no choice but to go backwards , on his right foot . He even took a free kick , half way in his own half , and kicked it thirty yards backward to Stones .
Do you remember the days he used to take the opposing full back on , as his FIRST thought .
I am going to be a sad muppet on Wednesday and try and count all the backwards passes . What chance have I got ?
 
muttley, Critical and Walt spot on there fella's.

Southgate, yes a head up the arses of the FA Yes man, I must admit I do dislike him with his dish out of Caps like a Groupier at a card table.

The description of of our Fairy midfielders is a tale in itself, ballet dancers come to mind there.

As for that ex-Gooner pundit, will not name the prick, with his "I want Kane in the box" ok mate fair enough but where is the regular service to him, zilch, nadda, nout, is about right, so poor old Arry has to drop deep to see what the ball feels like and have kick about.

I believe you could go on about all of them, a few have been mentioned but the coach/manager has to be looked at, the twat!
 
I was a bit confused over this tournament. England are playing in the Euro groups for World Cup qualification. I wasnt sure if it was the Euros or World Cup.
Norway is considering pulling out due to human rights issues in Qatar. 6500 workers have reportedly died in the construction of sites for the World Cup. Germany wore T shirts protesting I think.
Harry Kane said the England group might discuss it.
I'm not sure as a Country, morally we should even be trying to qualify.

So what do we know: (I had a thread on here for ages about this); they bribed their way to having it awarded under Blatter; later, an inquiry which all but confirmed it was fixed, then we have reports of slave conditions and thousands of deaths - and FIFA as if to support all of these appalling on-going events, won't even countenance it being taken away or canceled, or even them paying a fine or sanctions of any description.

On a wider scale, Washington has long believed that extremely wealthy individuals have and are still funding ISIS - directly supporting Islamic fundamentalism in Afghanistan - so it is a regime with massive blood on it's hands, the blood increasingly of our very own troops.

WTF are we doing going there to play football?

I hope we boycott or cancel our attendance - someone has to make a statement and take a lead against this despicable regime.
 
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Exactly , Critical . ..... there reason he was dropping back was so that he could get a feel of what the ball was like , and what it felt like to have it any where near him . He was never going to get that with the ballet dancers we had in midfield playing to their own agenda ,

Kin walkers first thought now is to pass the ball backwards . Every ball . He plays with his back to the sideline . and as he hasn’t got a left foot , he has no choice but to go backwards , on his right foot . He even took a free kick , half way in his own half , and kicked it thirty yards backward to Stones .
Do you remember the days he used to take the opposing full back on , as his FIRST thought .
I am going to be a sad muppet on Wednesday and try and count all the backwards passes . What chance have I got ?

So out of interest, which RB's should Southgate be using? I was personally frustrated that Walker got a bad deal from Southgate after the 2018 world cup. He has been the best RB in the league for the last 5 years and Pep took him up a level. He stopped the habitual overlap that became so predictable under Poch and picked his moments to get forward. He then tucked in closer to the centre-halves to help create some solidity at the back with their attacking players having more freedom,

I personally think England should be looking to emulate that as they head to the Euro's. We have the Fodens, Grealish's etc that play the fluid passing up the field. We need a mean back four and I would be utilising the Walker-Stones partnership on the right. If we play 3, I'd definitely have Walker in there.
 
Bale managed 90 minutes against Czech Republic and 84 against Belgium, amazing return to fitness for his Country just in time. For us he had to be managed at around 60 minutes !!
Yeah, we've done all the hard work preparing him. Our facilities will be useful for another few weeks before he dashes off golfing in Madrid! Job done.
 
I'm not bothered about Bale. We'll be at our best when Dele, Gio and Ndombele will be supporting Kane and Son. Bale is super-sub at best when we're playing at the intensity we should be playing at. That is, unless he wants to correct his team and work ethic.

It's an easy life when you have a bunch of inferior Welsh water carriers allowing you to be the hero.
 
Whatever number you associate with football related deaths, the Qataris are an absolute disgrace. I'm with you and would be more than happy if we boycott the World Cup. The England FA should then announce that they aren't breaking up our domestic season and allowing the mid-season break to accommodate the WC. Then all the non-English players will stay with their Prem clubs and boycott the WC as well.

Problem is the World Cup, awarded to Qatar through bribes and corruption, should have been stripped and relocated for so many reasons.

It's an absolute disgrace that the worlds best players and teams should even be considering venturing anywhere near the place.

The World Cup should not be boycotted, simply awarded to a country that values human rights, best work place practices and can guarantee the players' safety will not be compromised. Probably too late now.
 
I still think the Southgate's biggest problem is where to play Mason Mount, if at all. He's a little like Platt or Lampard in that he gets in ahead of players with more ability than him. He definitely puts in a massive shift.

In Euro 96, Venables dealt with it by dropping Platt to the bench. He played a partnership of Ince and Gazza, with Anderton, Macmanaman and Sheringham supporting Shearer.

Lamps never really got dropped but you could always see a strong case for a specialist like Carrick playing ahead of him to balance the side and let Scholes and Gerrard run the show.

I'll have to watch Mount a little more closely. My instinct is saying that unless he can secure a place alongside Rice then he shouldn't be near the 4 advanced positions. He is not offering as much as Foden, Grealish, Rashford, Sterling, Sancho etc at the top of their games. He does seem to be Southgate's first choice though.
 
Another very poor England performance .
Harry totally isolated as a centre forward ,
Nobody making passes that count .
Sterling and Foden running into blind alleys .
Mount puts in a shift and does at least get forward . Lacks anthreat though .
Haven’t got a clue what Williams is doing in the team .
Stones at the back relying on Maguire to help him out is a nightmare . A disaster waiting to happen .
Their centre forward that didn’t play last night would have had a field day against those two.
If Walker and Chillwell are our best two full backs then we are in trouble .

The subs we brought on were a joke , what was the point .

Stones getting mobbed as a the new hero for heading the ball in their area really made me laugh . Maguire rushing over to him , ....schoolboyish behaviour .
I did think Rice had a good game though . He played well , put in a lot of good tackles , won and used the ball well .

‘kin ell , I’m sounding like someone else on the site ., although he doesn’t praise anyone !

The penalty down to that idiot Sterlings default dive and catch the ball antics , embarrassing .

The commentator saying that their full back didn’t have a clue how to defend against against Sterling .
Sterling really made that count didn’t he ! ....... Not .

Poor , very very poor . .
 
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The trio who should play behind Kane at Euro 2021: it is bad news for Rashford and Grealish

Not so long ago England lacked creative playmakers – the emergence of two in recent times leaves Gareth Southgate with an interesting choice

By Sam Dean 1 April 2021 • 10:00am

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Harry Kane will lead England's attack at this year's European Championship Credit: Eddie Keogh - The FA

Two years ago, Gareth Southgate explained the absence of James Maddison from the England squad by saying that the team “had not been playing with a No 10”. The world has changed since then and so have England, for whom the main development of these past few games has been the emergence of not one, but two No 10s in Southgate’s starting lineup.
Against Albania and Poland, England’s attack was far more fluid than we have come to expect. Out went the rigidity that was caused by a back three and in came a flexibility in the final third, where Mason Mount and Phil Foden were given the freedom to seek space and play between the lines.
For the first 45 minutes against Poland on Wednesday night, England looked to be playing a genuinely modern and progressive form of attacking football. Foden drifted inside from the right, combining with his team-mates and helping England to outnumber the visiting midfield, while Kyle Walker provided the width on the flank he had vacated.
It was an approach built on movement, intelligence and technical quality in the attacking midfield positions. Which, in short, are all the things that England have been routinely accused of lacking in recent years. There was none of this against Croatia in the World Cup semi-final of 2018, for example, when Luka Modric’s most devastating act was to remind an entire nation that they did not have a Luka Modric.
Mount and Foden are not at that level, although they might be one day. They certainly play that sort of football, though: roaming, scheming, controlling the tempo and dragging opposition players into the places they do not want to go.
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Sterling, Foden and Mount could be a potent combination behind Kane Credit: REUTERS /FLORION GOGA
Completing the trident behind Harry Kane was Raheem Sterling, whose role is to stretch teams with his pace rather than drift around with Mount and Foden. Together they have made for an appealing trio in these last two matches, when there has been an exciting balance to England’s attacking play at times.
Their first goal against Poland, eventually finished from the penalty spot by Kane, was a fine example of the Foden/Mount/Sterling triumvirate in action. Foden had floated over from his starting position on the right, as he did throughout the first half, to create a tight triangle with Mount and Sterling:
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The ball was lost, but Foden’s proximity to the action allowed him to win it back and prod a pass into Sterling. From there, the Manchester City winger embarked on the run which earned the penalty.
At the moment Sterling received the ball, both Mount and Foden were within just a couple of yards of him. Such a scenario would be far less likely with a player like Marcus Rashford or Jadon Sancho on the right flank. Foden is an entirely different option, a player who generally wants to come to the ball in the middle of the pitch rather than wait for it on the wing.
This could be seen again a few minutes after the opener, when Foden once again darted inside to create a shooting chance for Kane. Mount and Sterling had combined down the left, before the Chelsea midfielder whipped a pass into the path of Foden. Kane seized on Foden’s flick, and almost doubled the lead:
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In these early stages, when the plan was working, Mount and Foden had the protection of Declan Rice and Kalvin Phillips behind them. Together, they sometimes created what is referred to as a “box” in midfield. Rice and Phillips formed the deeper half of the square, with Mount and Foden playing directly in front of them. It meant England had depth, allowing them to smoothly play their way into the final third.
Based on the events of the last week, this shape is the grand vision in Southgate’s mind. Replace Kalvin Phillips with Jordan Henderson, and it could easily be the midfield quartet of choice in the summer.
In such a scenario, it would not be unreasonable to suggest that Sterling, Rashford, Sancho and Jack Grealish are all competing for one place on the left wing. If Foden is the big winner of this international break, as the only player of his type on the right side, then those three surely must be seen as the biggest losers.
All this is not to say that Southgate has cracked it. Far from it. The first half against Poland was promising, yes, but the second half was poor. The midfield began to soften, with Phillips and Rice coming under more pressure, and as a result Mount and Foden became less influential.
The opening 45 minutes was proof that England have an exciting plan, then, but the rest of the match showed they are not yet capable of executing it for a full 90 minutes. Southgate’s reluctance to make any changes until the 86th minute, when he replaced Foden with Reece James, was puzzling in the extreme.
If this system, with Foden and Mount operating as two unconventional No 10s, is to be the Plan A, then one suspects that England will probably need a Plan B soon enough. For now, though, the optimists can seize upon the fluidity of their first-half showing as proof of this young team’s evolution into a more imaginative and flexible side. After all, it is not so long ago that Southgate’s England did not have any creative playmakers at all. With Foden and Mount, they now have two.
 
The trio who should play behind Kane at Euro 2021: it is bad news for Rashford and Grealish

Not so long ago England lacked creative playmakers – the emergence of two in recent times leaves Gareth Southgate with an interesting choice

By Sam Dean 1 April 2021 • 10:00am

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Harry Kane will lead England's attack at this year's European Championship Credit: Eddie Keogh - The FA

Two years ago, Gareth Southgate explained the absence of James Maddison from the England squad by saying that the team “had not been playing with a No 10”. The world has changed since then and so have England, for whom the main development of these past few games has been the emergence of not one, but two No 10s in Southgate’s starting lineup.
Against Albania and Poland, England’s attack was far more fluid than we have come to expect. Out went the rigidity that was caused by a back three and in came a flexibility in the final third, where Mason Mount and Phil Foden were given the freedom to seek space and play between the lines.
For the first 45 minutes against Poland on Wednesday night, England looked to be playing a genuinely modern and progressive form of attacking football. Foden drifted inside from the right, combining with his team-mates and helping England to outnumber the visiting midfield, while Kyle Walker provided the width on the flank he had vacated.
It was an approach built on movement, intelligence and technical quality in the attacking midfield positions. Which, in short, are all the things that England have been routinely accused of lacking in recent years. There was none of this against Croatia in the World Cup semi-final of 2018, for example, when Luka Modric’s most devastating act was to remind an entire nation that they did not have a Luka Modric.
Mount and Foden are not at that level, although they might be one day. They certainly play that sort of football, though: roaming, scheming, controlling the tempo and dragging opposition players into the places they do not want to go.
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Sterling, Foden and Mount could be a potent combination behind Kane Credit: REUTERS /FLORION GOGA
Completing the trident behind Harry Kane was Raheem Sterling, whose role is to stretch teams with his pace rather than drift around with Mount and Foden. Together they have made for an appealing trio in these last two matches, when there has been an exciting balance to England’s attacking play at times.
Their first goal against Poland, eventually finished from the penalty spot by Kane, was a fine example of the Foden/Mount/Sterling triumvirate in action. Foden had floated over from his starting position on the right, as he did throughout the first half, to create a tight triangle with Mount and Sterling:
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The ball was lost, but Foden’s proximity to the action allowed him to win it back and prod a pass into Sterling. From there, the Manchester City winger embarked on the run which earned the penalty.
At the moment Sterling received the ball, both Mount and Foden were within just a couple of yards of him. Such a scenario would be far less likely with a player like Marcus Rashford or Jadon Sancho on the right flank. Foden is an entirely different option, a player who generally wants to come to the ball in the middle of the pitch rather than wait for it on the wing.
This could be seen again a few minutes after the opener, when Foden once again darted inside to create a shooting chance for Kane. Mount and Sterling had combined down the left, before the Chelsea midfielder whipped a pass into the path of Foden. Kane seized on Foden’s flick, and almost doubled the lead:
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In these early stages, when the plan was working, Mount and Foden had the protection of Declan Rice and Kalvin Phillips behind them. Together, they sometimes created what is referred to as a “box” in midfield. Rice and Phillips formed the deeper half of the square, with Mount and Foden playing directly in front of them. It meant England had depth, allowing them to smoothly play their way into the final third.
Based on the events of the last week, this shape is the grand vision in Southgate’s mind. Replace Kalvin Phillips with Jordan Henderson, and it could easily be the midfield quartet of choice in the summer.
In such a scenario, it would not be unreasonable to suggest that Sterling, Rashford, Sancho and Jack Grealish are all competing for one place on the left wing. If Foden is the big winner of this international break, as the only player of his type on the right side, then those three surely must be seen as the biggest losers.
All this is not to say that Southgate has cracked it. Far from it. The first half against Poland was promising, yes, but the second half was poor. The midfield began to soften, with Phillips and Rice coming under more pressure, and as a result Mount and Foden became less influential.
The opening 45 minutes was proof that England have an exciting plan, then, but the rest of the match showed they are not yet capable of executing it for a full 90 minutes. Southgate’s reluctance to make any changes until the 86th minute, when he replaced Foden with Reece James, was puzzling in the extreme.
If this system, with Foden and Mount operating as two unconventional No 10s, is to be the Plan A, then one suspects that England will probably need a Plan B soon enough. For now, though, the optimists can seize upon the fluidity of their first-half showing as proof of this young team’s evolution into a more imaginative and flexible side. After all, it is not so long ago that Southgate’s England did not have any creative playmakers at all. With Foden and Mount, they now have two.

Is Mount cultured enough for a number 10 shirt though? He admits himself that he's a box-to-box player and perhaps should be playing alongside Rice.

That leaves space for combinations of Grealish, Foden, Maddison, Rashford, Sancho, Lingard etc in behind Kane.
 
Another pass around at the back game....yawn. Sterling misplacing passes and getting no where. No idea why it was a penalty!

Only time Kane involved was a penalty and one shot later on.

Walker also doing my head in, just passing sideways or back.
100% spot on, short summary was all that was needed.
 
Is Mount cultured enough for a number 10 shirt though? He admits himself that he's a box-to-box player and perhaps should be playing alongside Rice.

That leaves space for combinations of Grealish, Foden, Maddison, Rashford, Sancho, Lingard etc in behind Kane.

He should, Phillips is bang average and then we can get a really good hard working creative in like Madison, and or depending how we set up, with Sancho.

The other player that cannot be the first choice is Chilwell; the number of times she should have used the wing and gone past their last man and didn't drove me nuts - he loves stopping and passing back, awful play.
 
Only thing i learnt from last nights game is that against decent opposition, it isnt just Spurs who struggle to get the ball to Kane in good positions. His movement, lauded by many is an absolute disgrace. Its lauded because he ends up going everywhere to get on the ball in positions he is capable of getting it without needing to move quickly, completely vacating the space his team needs him to occupy players. He is so static that the ball has to be played to him in world class precision (Foden) for him to make anything of it. Otherwise its just Kane using his strength to make an opening which works but makes you completely predictable. JM spotted it and has adjusted the team to fit. If i was in charge of England i would be looking at wether the sum of the other players is worth more than a focal point of Kane.....

How many times did Stirling, Chilwell, Mount get the ball in crossing positions and want Kane to make their mind up for them by already being in front of his defender and attacking? Instead Kane would be loitering, in the box but fully marked. Honestly, it isnt his ability to score, its his inability to move which effects the entire team. If we are to play a mobile, attacking, fluid midfield then Kane is not the striker to link it all together. I just kept picturing Calvert Lewin getting across his man, bullying him out of the way and actually making something of those oppertunities.

Says a lot when they declared Kane is the highest ever penalty scorer for England.