Interesting facts/how sayings came about | Vital Football

Interesting facts/how sayings came about

The Fear

A Wise Man (once sat next to him)
There is an old Hotel/Pub in Marble Arch, London,
which used to have some gallows adjacent to it.
Prisoners were taken to the gallows (after a fair trial of course) to be hanged.
The horse-drawn dray, carting the prisoner, was accompanied by an armed guard,
who would stop the dray outside the pub and ask the prisoner if he would
Like ''ONE LAST DRINK''.
If he said YES, it was referred to as ONE FOR THE ROAD.
If he declined, that
Prisoner was ON THE WAGON.
So, there you go ... More history.


They used to use urine to tan animal skins, so families used to all pee in a pot and t hen once a day it was taken and sold to the tannery.
If you had to do this to survive you were "piss poor",
but worse than that were the really poor folk, who couldn’t even afford to buy a pot,
they "Didn’t have a pot to piss in" and were the lowest of the low.


The next time you are washing your hands and complain because the water Temperature isn't just how you like it, think about how things used to be.

Here are some facts about the 1500s:
Most people got married in June,
because they took their yearly bath in May and they still smelled pretty good by June.
However, since they were starting to smell,
brides carried a bouquet of flowers to hide the body odour.
Hence the custom today of carrying a bouquet when getting married.

Baths consisted of a big tub filled with hot water.
The man of the house had the privilege of the nice clean water,
then all the other sons and men, then the women and finally the children.
Last of all the babies.
By then the water was so dirty you could actually lose someone in it.
Hence the saying,
"Don't throw the baby out with the bath water!"

Houses had thatched roofs, thick straw piled high, with no wood underneath.
It was the only place for animals to get warm,
so, all the cats and other small animals (mice, bugs) lived in the roof.
When it rained, it became slippery and sometimes the animals would slip and fall off the roof. Hence the saying "It's raining cats and dogs.


There was nothing to stop things from falling into the house.
This posed a real problem in the bedroom,
where bugs and other droppings could mess up your nice clean bed.
Hence, a bed with big posts and a sheet hung over the top afforded some protection.
That's how canopy beds came into existence.
The floor was dirt. Only the wealthy had something other than dirt.
Hence the saying, "dirt poor."
The wealthy Had slate floors that would get slippery in the winter when wet,
so, they spread thresh (straw) on floor to help keep their footing.
As the winter wore on they added more thresh until, when you opened the door,
it would all start slipping outside.
A piece of wood was placed in the entrance.
Hence: a thresh hold. (Getting quite an education, aren't you?)



Sometimes they could obtain pork, which made them feel quite special.
When visitors came over they would hang up their bacon, to show off.
It was a sign of wealth that a man could, "Bring home the bacon."
They would cut off a little to Share with guests and would all sit around talking and
''chew the fat''. �

Those with money had plates made of pewter.
Food with high acid content Caused some of the lead to leach onto the food,
causing lead poisoning and death.
This happened most often with tomatoes,
so for the next 400 years or so, tomatoes were considered poisonous.


Bread was divided according to status.
Workers got the burnt bottom of the loaf,
The family got the middle, and guests got the top, or ''The Upper Crust''.


Lead cups were used to drink ale or whisky.
The combination would sometimes knock the imbibers out for a couple of days. Someone walking along the road would take them for dead and prepare them for burial. They were laid out on the kitchen table for a couple of days and the family would gather around and eat and drink and wait and see if they would wake up.
Hence the custom of ''Holding a Wake''. �


England is old and small and the local folks started running out of places to bury people, so they would dig up coffins and would take the bones to
a bone-house and reuse the grave. When reopening these coffins, 1 out of 25 coffins were found to have scratch marks on the inside and they realised they had been burying people alive. So they would tie a string on the wrist of the corpse, thread it through the coffin and up through the ground and tie it to a bell. Someone would have to sit out in the graveyard all night (the graveyard shift) to listen for the bell; thus someone could be, ''Saved by the Bell ''or was considered a ''Dead Ringer'' And that's the truth.
 
I’ve seen some of these before, that last one makes my stomach churn - what a horrible way to go, stuff of nightmares
 
Yes, definitely done the rounds before, but not seen for ages and some are very good.

As you say, the last one, *shudders*, just awful!
 
Opening a can of worms :tophat:

Fisherman used to buy sealed metal cans of earthworms, as opposed to the plastic containers or Styrofoam cups of today. After arriving at their fishing spot, they would set the metal can down and open it. What was inside was alive and if the top was left open for too long or the can was tipped over, well, your biggest problem would no longer be catching fish. It would be catching your bait that’s wriggling away.
 
Love these things.

The one about the 1500s is strange, was there a huge water shortage or something? One bath a year?

Surely they could have made do with some water and a rag in between baths to keep themselves half decent.
 
Last edited:
Opening a can of worms :tophat:

Fisherman used to buy sealed metal cans of earthworms, as opposed to the plastic containers or Styrofoam cups of today. After arriving at their fishing spot, they would set the metal can down and open it. What was inside was alive and if the top was left open for too long or the can was tipped over, well, your biggest problem would no longer be catching fish. It would be catching your bait that’s wriggling away.
Thought it was "bag of worms"? :lol:
 
Back in high society medieval days the hierarchy used to meet and socialise around a table. They used to pass around a truncket with pegs on the inside to measure each swig someone could have of their top notch beverage.
If a member said or did something unsavoury their swig of the drink used to be taken off them.....

'Take him down a peg or two'
 
When the crew of ocean going ships were a little less than hygienic they needed to present a certificate attesting to the presence or absence of infectious diseases among the ship’s crew and at the port from which it has come. Thus a 'clean bill of health' .
 
Not many people seem to know the expression (think it is a Brummie one) saying you are in your oil tot (in your element)

It was workers, before going out on the piss, having a tot of oil which they used to think lined their stomach before drinking.

******

Top draw is a fairly easy one. When people used to have a few valued possessions, they would keep it in their top drawer of their chest of draws.

Obviously you now say top draw for the best of something.
 
Having worked with the Royal Navy for over 40 years there are literally hundreds of naval terms still in use today..

Piping hot meal...... Getting your meal soon after it was piped by the bosun.
Square meal or 3 Square Meals a day....
The plates on naval ships were square and place on square tables with a lip so when the ship rolled the plate stayed on the table, the next person to sit down would sit opposite you and his plate would wedge your plate in place, he would sit opposite and to this day a fellow/friend/ships company would be referred to as "My oppo" Opposite number.
 
What's the origin of the phrase 'Nail your colours to the mast'?
In 17th century nautical battles colours (flags) were struck (lowered) as a mark of submission. It was also the custom in naval warfare to direct one's cannon fire at the opponent's ship's mast, thus disabling it. If all of a ship's masts were broken the captain usually had no alternative but to surrender. If the captain decided to fight on this was marked by hoisting the colours on the remnants of the ship's rigging, that is, by 'nailing his colours to the mast'.
The phrase originated in England and it is generally agreed that the expression was coined in reference to the exploits of the crew of the Venerable, at the Battle of Camperdown, a naval engagement that was fought between English and Dutch ships as part of the French Revolutionary Wars, in 1797.
The English fleet was led by the Venerable, the flagship of Admiral Adam Duncan. The battle didn't initially go well for the English. The mainmast of Duncan's vessel was struck and the admiral's blue squadronal standard was brought down. This could have been interpreted by the rest of the fleet as meaning that Duncan had surrendered. Step forward, horny-handed son of the sea and subsequent national hero, Jack Crawford. Crawford climbed what was left of the mast with the standard and nailed it back where it was visible to the rest of the fleet. This act proved crucial in the battle and Duncan's forces were eventually victorious. Some historians believe that the victory at Camperdown proved to be the end of the dominance of the Dutch at sea and the beginning of the period in which 'Britannia ruled the waves'. Crawford returned home to Sunderland to a hero's welcome.
The stalwart reputation of English seamen soon became part of the national consciousness. An address to the House of Commons by the playwright Richard Sheridan was reported in The Edinburgh Advertiser in January 1801:
"I have no hesitation in saying that the Maritime Law is the charter of our existence, the banner under which we all should rally; it is the flag which, imitating the example of our gallant seamen, we should nail to the mast of the nation, and go down with the vessel rather than strike it!"​
 
Above board - Anything on or above the open deck. If something is open and in plain view, it is above board.
All at sea - This dates to the time when accurate navigational aids weren’t available. Any ship that was out of sight of land was in an uncertain position and in danger of becoming lost.
Aloof - Now means to stand apart or be indifferent, but it came from the Old Dutch word loef which meant “windward” and was used to describe a ship within a fleet which sailed higher to the wind and was thus drawn apart from the rest of the fleet.
At loggerheads - An iron ball attached to a long handle was a loggerhead. When heated it was used to seal the pitch in deck seams. It was sometimes a handy weapon for quarrelling crewmen.
Chock-a-block - A block and tackle is a pulley system used on sailing ships to hoist the sails. The phrase describes what occurs the system is raised to its fullest extent – when there is no more rope free and the blocks jam tightly together. Predictably this lead to its current meaning, “crammed so tightly together as to prevent movement”.

loads more here:


https://www.crewseekers.net/notices/three-sheets-wind-nautical-slang-common-usage/
 
Last edited by a moderator:
cloud-cuckoo land

An idealized mythical domain, as in That idea about flying cars is straight out of cloud-cuckoo land. This expression originated as a translation from the Greek of Aristophanes' play The Birds, where it signifies the realm built by the birds to separate the gods from humankind. It came into use in the 1820s. During the 19th century it began to be used for a place of wildly fanciful dreams, unrealistic expectations, or the like, and it also acquired the connotation of “crazy” (from cuckoo, slang for “crazy” since about 1900). Also see la-la land; never-never land.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/cloud-cuckoo--land
 
One used by Villan57 in 100%

jump the gun. To start something before it is permissible, appropriate, or advisable. The phrase alludes to starting to run in a foot race before the starting gun goes off. Henry jumped the gun and sent the proofs to the printer before the boss approved them, and she was not happy.

https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/jump+the+gun
 
"Get down to brass tacks."

A late 19th-century expression originating in the brass tacks marked at one-yard intervals on shop counters for measuring out cloth, etc. So "getting down to brass tacks" meant literally measuring out something precisely.

Fascinating, I'm sure you will agree.
 
Loose canon

Another from the old naval days. Literally referring to a ship's canon becoming loose during combat and the carnage it would cause to man and ship as it rolled around the deck
 
Above board - Anything on or above the open deck. If something is open and in plain view, it is above board.
All at sea - This dates to the time when accurate navigational aids weren’t available. Any ship that was out of sight of land was in an uncertain position and in danger of becoming lost.
Aloof - Now means to stand apart or be indifferent, but it came from the Old Dutch word loef which meant “windward” and was used to describe a ship within a fleet which sailed higher to the wind and was thus drawn apart from the rest of the fleet.
At loggerheads - An iron ball attached to a long handle was a loggerhead. When heated it was used to seal the pitch in deck seams. It was sometimes a handy weapon for quarrelling crewmen.
Chock-a-block - A block and tackle is a pulley system used on sailing ships to hoist the sails. The phrase describes what occurs the system is raised to its fullest extent – when there is no more rope free and the blocks jam tightly together. Predictably this lead to its current meaning, “crammed so tightly together as to prevent movement”.

loads more here:


https://www.crewseekers.net/notices/three-sheets-wind-nautical-slang-common-usage/
Slightly off topic, but can any of the older members remember who Chock a bloke was on Chock a Block?