I know it's the Daily Mail, but :14:

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Moroccan-born mayor of Rotterdam tells fellow Muslims who do not appreciate the 'freedoms' of living in the West to 'pack your bags and f*** off' on live TV
Ahmed Aboutaleb, a Moroccan-born Muslim, spoke after Paris attack
The mayor said Dutch Muslims who 'don't like freedom' can f*** off
He added: 'Vanish from the Netherlands if you cannot find your place here'
Aboutaleb became the first immigrant mayor in the Netherlands in 2008

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The Moroccan-born mayor of Rotterdam has said Muslim immigrants who do not appreciate the way of life in Western civilisations can 'f*** off'.
Ahmed Aboutaleb, who arrived in the Netherlands aged 15, spoke out in the wake of the Charlie Hebdo attack in Paris last week.
Appearing on live television just hours after the shootings, Mayor Aboutaleb said Muslims who 'do not like freedom can pack your bags and leave'.

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Cont: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2907941/Moroccan-born-mayor-Rotterdam-tells-fellow-Muslims-not-appreciate-freedoms-living-West-pack-bags-f-live-TV.html?ito=social-facebook
 
I agree that you shouldn't move to a country and expect it to change to accommodate you. If I went to Saudi and started drinking and stuff I don't think they would tolerate that very much.
 
But then there are two sides to everything. All that is certain is the media will feast like a king on all this discord, loving every second of it, as it stirs it up, tells you who the good guys and bad guys are, tells you what to think and feel, and sells a s*** load of papers to the angry, manipulated, divided public.
 
If Charlie Hebdo was all for freedom of speech while insulting others though, then people who have a different point of view on the attacks are free to voice them too surely.
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/01/13/lse-student-daniel-wickhams-epic-twitter-takedown_n_6461208.html?1421144526

So here are some of the staunch defenders of the free press attending the solidarity rally in Paris today...
6:10 AM - 11 Jan 2015

1) King Abdullah of Jordan, which last year sentenced a Palestinian journalist to 15 years in prison with hard labour http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Jordanian-Palestinian-who-writes-for-Post-sentenced-in-Jordan-to-life-with-hard-labor-341596 …

2) Prime Minister of Davutoglu of Turkey, which imprisons more journalists than any other country in the world http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2013/dec/18/journalist-safety-turkey …
6:19 AM - 11 Jan 2015


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blackwood_villa - 13/1/2015 17:24

Just no
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Surely free speech is free speech for all. They can't be hypocrites AND take the moral high ground.

If something can't be said then free speech can't be claimed.

Free speech is a myth anyway. We are in an age where less can be said than ever since the hate crime laws. It's just a nice phrase that people use to cover their insults lol.
 
Freeman14 - 13/1/2015 17:19

If Charlie Hebdo was all for freedom of speech while insulting others though, then people who have a different point of view on the attacks are free to voice them too surely.
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I am sure Charlie Hebdo would agree with you: Free speech (depending as you say) but murder isn't free speech
 
I dont know if this is worth posting as you wont get some of the ould lingo but this is funny as fuck... Went to college in Waterford so I know how they speak and all the rest... This is brilliant...

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/

Humans Of Waterford
"Some Muslim Head On You Boy!"

"Hahaha well lad! How are you? Ya caught me. Yeah, I'm off to the local Mosque in town for an auld pray. You know yerself sure."

"Were ya watching the other thing in France there on the telly?"

"I was earlier, yeah. Some bunch of nutters. All over nothing like."

"Nothing! Were ya not offended by those images yourself?"

"G'way boy would ya. Feckin' cartoons! I've better things to be worried about. Brakes gone in the car. Its all money sure, isn't it?"

"Hahahaha yeah, it is. But like, would ya not be upset over the whole thing. Being Muslim 'an all?"

"Its nothing to do with me boy. Let em off. Why should I give a crap?"

"But it's all over the news."

"Sure, if you're so bothered by it, turn over. It's only a TV channel. I'm sure theres an on/off button"

"Sorry, I'm finding this hard to understand. Why aren't you upset or anything?"

"I've seen enough violence to last ten lifetimes, why would I bother myself?"

"So, if I called Mohemmed a ****, what would you do?"

"I'd say: 'at least he didn't end up nailed to a plank like a dope!'

"Hahahaha you know what Amir? You're alright for a shite."

"It's Shiite you clown, but yeah, thanks. Right, i'm off to do a bit of bowing."

"Will ya be down in Geoff's later for a pint and a rasher sandwich?"

"Hahahahaha.....you Paddies are so funny. G'wan, off with ya.....before I blow you up!"

"HAHAHAHAHAHA Laters lad."

"Ma'aasalaama!
 
kefkat - 13/1/2015 19:01

Freeman14 - 13/1/2015 17:19

If Charlie Hebdo was all for freedom of speech while insulting others though, then people who have a different point of view on the attacks are free to voice them too surely.
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I am sure Charlie Hebdo would agree with you: Free speech (depending as you say) but murder isn't free speech
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I'm not talking about the murderers, I'm talking about people who think they can choose what can and can't be said, while waving a flag for free speech.
 
CDX_EIRE - 13/1/2015 19:09

I dont know if this is worth posting as you wont get some of the ould lingo but this is funny as fuck... Went to college in Waterford so I know how they speak and all the rest... This is brilliant...

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/

Humans Of Waterford
"Some Muslim Head On You Boy!"

"Hahaha well lad! How are you? Ya caught me. Yeah, I'm off to the local Mosque in town for an auld pray. You know yerself sure."

"Were ya watching the other thing in France there on the telly?"

"I was earlier, yeah. Some bunch of nutters. All over nothing like."

"Nothing! Were ya not offended by those images yourself?"

"G'way boy would ya. Feckin' cartoons! I've better things to be worried about. Brakes gone in the car. Its all money sure, isn't it?"

"Hahahaha yeah, it is. But like, would ya not be upset over the whole thing. Being Muslim 'an all?"

"Its nothing to do with me boy. Let em off. Why should I give a crap?"

"But it's all over the news."

"Sure, if you're so bothered by it, turn over. It's only a TV channel. I'm sure theres an on/off button"

"Sorry, I'm finding this hard to understand. Why aren't you upset or anything?"

"I've seen enough violence to last ten lifetimes, why would I bother myself?"

"So, if I called Mohemmed a ****, what would you do?"

"I'd say: 'at least he didn't end up nailed to a plank like a dope!'

"Hahahaha you know what Amir? You're alright for a shite."

"It's Shiite you clown, but yeah, thanks. Right, i'm off to do a bit of bowing."

"Will ya be down in Geoff's later for a pint and a rasher sandwich?"

"Hahahahaha.....you Paddies are so funny. G'wan, off with ya.....before I blow you up!"

"HAHAHAHAHAHA Laters lad."

"Ma'aasalaama!
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Exactly, offense is taken not given. It's a choice, to let someone manipulate you or not.
 
CDX_EIRE - 13/1/2015 19:09
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"So, if I called Mohemmed a ****, what would you do?"

"I'd say: 'at least he didn't end up nailed to a plank like a dope!'


It's all down to humour personality: These 2 lines had me in stitches. I think everyone knows I am Christian encase anyone wondering why I picked these 2 lines out :15: :19: :15:
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Freeman14 - 13/1/2015 19:25

kefkat - 13/1/2015 19:01

Freeman14 - 13/1/2015 17:19

If Charlie Hebdo was all for freedom of speech while insulting others though, then people who have a different point of view on the attacks are free to voice them too surely.
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I am sure Charlie Hebdo would agree with you: Free speech (depending as you say) but murder isn't free speech
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I'm not talking about the murderers, I'm talking about people who think they can choose what can and can't be said, while waving a flag for free speech.
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Got you and yes true. We think we are free yet in many ways we aren't
 
Totally, freedom is another over used political word, we're as free as our dictators and wallets let us be.

Apart from breathing the only thing we are truly free to do is think, and they even try their hardest to control that.
 
Freeman14 - 13/1/2015 23:49

I agree that you shouldn't move to a country and expect it to change to accommodate you. If I went to Saudi and started drinking and stuff I don't think they would tolerate that very much.
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You're spot on there Freeman. 20 lashes in public, imprisonment, etc etc...... Lovely!
 
Freeman14 - 14/1/2015 00:07

Apart from breathing the only thing we are truly free to do is think, and they even try their hardest to control that.
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:59: :59: :59: Free to think? The gov through the media pushes the drinking culture, through your taps, mouthwash and toothpastes it pushes fluoride (proven to lower IQ Harvard study) through the Dr's it pushes anti depressants and other mind altering compounds, the scary thing is that people on these things actually believe they are free to think!



 
Freeman14 - 14/1/2015 01:07

Totally, freedom is another over used political word, we're as free as our dictators and wallets let us be.

Apart from breathing the only thing we are truly free to do is think, and they even try their hardest to control that.
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Freedoms and rights are no more or less than the opportunity to take responsibility for our own safety and security within a society. Total freedom only comes with total responsibility. Is that really freedom, knowing that you are at the mercy of anyone that chooses to infringe upon your security, with no police or other state agencies to protect you? Not for me it's not! I, for one, am willing to sacrifice a little freedom to live under the protection that an organised society gives me. The alternative is the Wild West scenario.

The only issue for me is balance, I don't want to live in a totalitarian state. The only true measure of success in achieving this balance is the actual security of the people cross referenced with a relaxed acceptance of conditions, which will vary from place to place and culture to culture. Unfortunately, in much of the west and most certainly in the UK, people's perceptions are severely affected by an over active, poor quality press.

 
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