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So let's say we stay up this season. We sell MGW and Murillo in the Summer for around £100m.

What are we looking to buy with the £70m (this is a guess I have no idea in reality) we are left with after PRS considerations?

Experienced defender, dominant midfielder and a winger?

Striker as priority?

Yet another entire squad (my prediction as per EM's track record)?

What do we need to be a safe midtable EPL squad?
 
CB, LB, DCM, winger and a CF. A couple could be loan to buy, but thats what we need. Maybe Reyna back on loan if MGW has to be sold

Worrall, Toff, Vlach, Bowler, Huang, all out on sales or loans in addition to the raft of loans and out of contract players we currently have. Dennis, maybe a project and to keep as back up?
 
I'd let Murillo go and keep MGW.

Murillo is quality, there's no question. But we could live without him and it would be far easier to sign a solid CB to replace Murillo than it would to replace MGW. Coupled with the fact that a Murillo sale is likely to produce a larger profit, I think this is the obvious way to go.

For all his talent and potential, Murillo has been a fixture in a defence that continues to leak set piece goals. I'm not blaming him for that, but we'd be better off with a CB who is more aerially dominating but not as capable with the ball. What makes Murillo exceptional is essentially a luxury for us, and primarily we need defenders who can head the ball clear from a corner.

I'd take Chris Wood on for another year, and then try to sign another striker. With Taiwo being so injury prone we would need a genuine first team striker, and then let TA and CW step in and out of the team as required.

We're light in the wide forward & 10 positions - the players stepping in for CHO, Elanga and MGW are all loanees, and we need a new right back to cover Williams.

With a full pre-season I'd hope our midfield two is solidified with Danilo, Yates, Dominguez and hopefully a much better season for Sangare.

Ideally shift Vlach and Hennessey. I'm not sure if Turner can cut it as our number 2 keeper but I'm not against it.

Quite how we wheel and deal to achieve the above, I don't know. It seems crazy that yet again, there are big holes and a weak bench.
 
Reyna isn’t good enough - certainly not at the moment. If we sell MGW then the first thing we will need is a replacement and that won’t be cheap.
 
LynxRed said:
I'd let Murillo go and keep MGW.

Murillo is quality, there's no question. But we could live without him and it would be far easier to sign a solid CB to replace Murillo than it would to replace MGW. Coupled with the fact that a Murillo sale is likely to produce a larger profit, I think this is the obvious way to go.

For all his talent and potential, Murillo has been a fixture in a defence that continues to leak set piece goals. I'm not blaming him for that, but we'd be better off with a CB who is more aerially dominating but not as capable with the ball. What makes Murillo exceptional is essentially a luxury for us, and primarily we need defenders who can head the ball clear from a corner.

I'd take Chris Wood on for another year, and then try to sign another striker. With Taiwo being so injury prone we would need a genuine first team striker, and then let TA and CW step in and out of the team as required.

We're light in the wide forward & 10 positions - the players stepping in for CHO, Elanga and MGW are all loanees, and we need a new right back to cover Williams.

With a full pre-season I'd hope our midfield two is solidified with Danilo, Yates, Dominguez and hopefully a much better season for Sangare.

Ideally shift Vlach and Hennessey. I'm not sure if Turner can cut it as our number 2 keeper but I'm not against it.

Quite how we wheel and deal to achieve the above, I don't know. It seems crazy that yet again, there are big holes and a weak bench.
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Totally agree, but for me a LB. Aina and Williams are able to play both sides, but if Richards is showing promise now in Greece, his ceiling is higher than Toff, so I'd sell Toff and get in another LB.
 
LynxRed said:
I'd let Murillo go and keep MGW.

Murillo is quality, there's no question. But we could live without him and it would be far easier to sign a solid CB to replace Murillo than it would to replace MGW. Coupled with the fact that a Murillo sale is likely to produce a larger profit, I think this is the obvious way to go.

For all his talent and potential, Murillo has been a fixture in a defence that continues to leak set piece goals. I'm not blaming him for that, but we'd be better off with a CB who is more aerially dominating but not as capable with the ball. What makes Murillo exceptional is essentially a luxury for us, and primarily we need defenders who can head the ball clear from a corner.

I'd take Chris Wood on for another year, and then try to sign another striker. With Taiwo being so injury prone we would need a genuine first team striker, and then let TA and CW step in and out of the team as required.

We're light in the wide forward & 10 positions - the players stepping in for CHO, Elanga and MGW are all loanees, and we need a new right back to cover Williams.

With a full pre-season I'd hope our midfield two is solidified with Danilo, Yates, Dominguez and hopefully a much better season for Sangare.

Ideally shift Vlach and Hennessey. I'm not sure if Turner can cut it as our number 2 keeper but I'm not against it.

Quite how we wheel and deal to achieve the above, I don't know. It seems crazy that yet again, there are big holes and a weak bench.
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wood is under contract till next summer anyway.

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weejockmcplop said:
So let's say we stay up this season. We sell MGW and Murillo in the Summer for around £100m.

What are we looking to buy with the £70m (this is a guess I have no idea in reality) we are left with after PRS considerations?

Experienced defender, dominant midfielder and a winger?

Striker as priority?

Yet another entire squad (my prediction as per EM's track record)?

What do we need to be a safe midtable EPL squad?
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We're going down if we have to sell both Muzza and Mozza.
 
It would be nice to think that the club hierarchy have learned a few lessons from the last couple of years. The main one being that in future it has to quality over quantity. Much better buying 2 or 3 proven quality players that the dozen or so journeymen types we have been buying. The problem of course for a recently promoted club is attracting players of truly proven quality.
 
seasider red said:
It would be nice to think that the club hierarchy have learned a few lessons from the last couple of years. The main one being that in future it has to quality over quantity. Much better buying 2 or 3 proven quality players that the dozen or so journeymen types we have been buying. The problem of course for a recently promoted club is attracting players of truly proven quality.
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What players, in and around the current squad, are journeyman/men?

It sometimes appears that the forums decide that Forest purposefully tried to sign under-par players, for some non-descript reason.
Rather than, i dunno, trying to sign "quality" within the budget they were working within and time-constraints in place.

Lingard, Origi, Hwang, Bowler all made sense, some just didn't work out.
I suppose hwang and bowler were always back-ups in case we were relegated.
Dennis made sense - he'd scored something like 15 goals the previous season, but it didn't work.
Mangala, Niakhate, Toffolo, Williams, Felipe, Dominguez, CHO, Elanga, Awoniyi, Wood etc etc, all have done a turn in the first team. Sangare may come good.

I suppose the goalies are a bit of a negative, and something that needs to improve...but Sels is solid enough.

Suppose my point is, "proven quality" is a mysterious entity that works on forums, but may not be so easy to quantify in reality.
 
BlackGold said:
What players, in and around the current squad, are journeyman/men?

It sometimes appears that the forums decide that Forest purposefully tried to sign under-par players, for some non-descript reason.
Rather than, i dunno, trying to sign "quality" within the budget they were working within and time-constraints in place.

Lingard, Origi, Hwang, Bowler all made sense, some just didn't work out.
I suppose hwang and bowler were always back-ups in case we were relegated.
Dennis made sense - he'd scored something like 15 goals the previous season, but it didn't work.
Mangala, Niakhate, Toffolo, Williams, Felipe, Dominguez, CHO, Elanga, Awoniyi, Wood etc etc, all have done a turn in the first team. Sangare may come good.

I suppose the goalies are a bit of a negative, and something that needs to improve...but Sels is solid enough.

Suppose my point is, "proven quality" is a mysterious entity that works on forums, but may not be so easy to quantify in reality.
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Perhaps "journeymen" was a bad choice of word, what I was trying to say was players of average ability. However I would suggest that several of the current squad may well turn into journeymen
 
seasider red said:
Perhaps "journeymen" was a bad choice of word, what I was trying to say was players of average ability. However I would suggest that several of the current squad may well turn into journeymen
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Which players forest signed permanently, do you think will become journeymen?

Obvs, don't include loaners.
 
weejockmcplop said:
So let's say we stay up this season. We sell MGW and Murillo in the Summer for around £100m.

What are we looking to buy with the £70m (this is a guess I have no idea in reality) we are left with after PRS considerations?

Experienced defender, dominant midfielder and a winger?

Striker as priority?

Yet another entire squad (my prediction as per EM's track record)?

What do we need to be a safe midtable EPL squad?
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First of all if we stay up would not want us to let MGW go for less than 100M

Murillo is great to watch. Good on the ball etc.

But we need defenders who can defend more than we need them to be pretty on the ball. We can get other positions to do that

Would try and get 50m for Murillo and replace with a big strong relatively fast no nonsense defender whos tall and good at defending set pieces for no more than half we sell Murillo for

With a bit of leadership about them?

Think we wouldn't be any worse off points wise with that swap. Possibly better off

Maybe someone at Luton fits the bill?

If we stay up and they go down?
 
Seeing as we have essentially just sold BJ as it wouldnt go on last years accounts and also likely decent Mangala profits too then I don't actually see that its imperative we sell at all. Those sales seem to be overlooked for some reason. we need to lower the wage bill tho, it cant just rise again if we want even better players.
We have decent squad that just needs some quality here and there. Be nice to stay on track with some young players, perhaps the Portugese lad who's clearly a talent and perhaps someone like adebayo for a taiwo replacement?
 
Thewolf/jimmygordon said:
First of all if we stay up would not want us to let MGW go for less than 100M

Murillo is great to watch. Good on the ball etc.

But we need defenders who can defend more than we need them to be pretty on the ball. We can get other positions to do that

Would try and get 50m for Murillo and replace with a big strong relatively fast no nonsense defender whos tall and good at defending set pieces for no more than half we sell Murillo for

With a bit of leadership about them?

Think we wouldn't be any worse off points wise with that swap. Possibly better off

Maybe someone at Luton fits the bill?

If we stay up and they go down?
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luton who score almost every game whilst letting in 3 and you want one of their defenders?:)
 
BlackGold said:
Which players forest signed permanently, do you think will become journeymen?

Obvs, don't include loaners.
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i think we have a lot of individually youngish talented players, i dont think most will become journeymen tbh tho thats relative for sure
 
seasider red said:
Perhaps "journeymen" was a bad choice of word, what I was trying to say was players of average ability. However I would suggest that several of the current squad may well turn into journeymen
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yeahh i think journeyman was prob the wrong word. I think its more about players who's best football is simply behind them, you want improvers and players at thier peak
 
paz1967 said:
Seeing as we have essentially just sold BJ as it wouldnt go on last years accounts and also likely decent Mangala profits too then I don't actually see that its imperative we sell at all. Those sales seem to be overlooked for some reason. we need to lower the wage bill tho, it cant just rise again if we want even better players.
We have decent squad that just needs some quality here and there. Be nice to stay on track with some young players, perhaps the Portugese lad who's clearly a talent and perhaps someone like adebayo for a taiwo replacement?
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Hate to break it to you...

Forest will have allowable losses of £83m for the 4 years till 2023/24. Two in the EPL and one in the EFL.

Sadly, the big ones don't drop off so we have

£40m
£52m

Those two years are already over the £83m we are allowed so we need to make around a £9m PROFIT this year and it's already been forecast that we are going to make around £13m loss i understand.

So we need to raise £21m.

If i was Marinakis i would be arranging for the transfer or loan fee on some of the fringe players while we can. Why can't we have some more sponsorship like Man city have got away with ?

Because i don't think Marinakis is as rich as it seems. If you look at the accounts we paid a staggering £10m in interest fees alone last year. We also borrowed against the BJ money to get this in one lump sum rather than wait for the spurs payments. We have £12m of bank loans.

Given we are in this position you would think someone would have think about making our balance sheet stronger (even if it's for the year end period!) and bloody reduce the crippling interest payments. If we didn't have the £10m last year (and presumably the same if not more this year) we wouldn't need to sell anyone.

Relegation would be very costly imo.
 
We need a captain. A big midfield general type captain to replaces Yates. A Jordan Henderson type from 8 years ago
 
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