Hunting (not with hounds) pro or anti........

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This cropped up as a result of a remark a friend of mine made on Facebook. I certainly don't want to limit the discussion to only one form of hunting but this was my o.p on the subject:-

Hunting for food is popular here in Scandinavia. The number of animals that can be taken is regulated and the hunters must all be licensed (although I must admit that I'm not sure what one has to do to obtain a license) There is an argument that says that if these animals were not hunted then they would overpopulate and food shartages would become a real issue for them, on the other hand, if farmers were not permitted to kill wolves and bears(which take a few sheep) would they not maintain the population of dear and elk?
 
I can’t say I have thought about it to be honest. It’s obviously big in the USA , if you are referring to “big game hunting” then I despise it and the people who do it. It’s not for food it’s because they have a non existent penis or in the case of the women, they most likely have a penis.
 
I can't see a problem about hunting for food. It would actually be great if people saw where their food comes from. You'd probably get more vegetarians, Ian. Lol.

Hunting for population control is a necessity in some areas. We employ someone to shoot Deer at the Golf Club. There are no natural predators any more, largely down to us. That leaves the responsibility with us.

Shooting for competitive sport is a good discipline. It encourages many positive skills.

Hunting animals for sport is abhorrent.
 
Define hunting.

Sport and recreation?

Sport and recreation but humane (as far as humane goes)?

Protection?

There's no single catch all answer but if you plan to go out with dogs, sit on a horse and dress up as a military pimp my stock answer is no, go and get laid you prick.
 
The irony is that big game hunting keeps those animals alive. In the US, hunting licences pay for all of their conservation.

I wouldn't do it myself but each to their own.
 
mike_field - 12/10/2017 23:57

Define hunting.

Sport and recreation?

Sport and recreation but humane (as far as humane goes)?

Protection?

There's no single catch all answer but if you plan to go out with dogs, sit on a horse and dress up as a military pimp my stock answer is no, go and get laid you prick.
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But then if you read the thread title is clearly states "not with hounds" :5:

 
Thanks for starting the thread here mate.

For me, big game hunters should become the hunted. I don't understand killing for sport. Not at all. As discussed before, one of the most beautiful mornings ever was on the safari in South Africa, sitting in the rangers jeep, mist on the field, two wonderful majestic giraffes standing there.

How on earth could you add to that experience by shooting them? It is beyond belief and it is also cowardly.

Those licensed and/or having to hunt to eat, I have no arguments with IF done correctly. I like how the American Indians used to respect the animals they hunted and used all of that animal to pay respect. ie fur, leather, the meat for food, etc.

Hunting to cull, for the good of the species and the good of other wildlife, I can understand - again if done right.
 
BodyButter - 13/10/2017 02:59

The irony is that big game hunting keeps those animals alive. In the US, hunting licences pay for all of their conservation.

I wouldn't do it myself but each to their own.
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That is a great point, would the lack of hunting contribute to extinctions due to lack of funding? I don't know the answer but it has to be accounted for.
 
I don't buy that argument at all, there is enough animal tourism to pay for the conservation, you don't have to kill the animals to conserve them.
 
I originally started this discussion on Facebook where a friend of mine posted the following:-

People need to realize that all food is life. Hunting is part of nature. We must not get so disconnected from nature and the food we eat. I hunt and my kids come with me. It is important to teach them where the food come from and respect both the animals and the food we eat. Wild meat is the most ethical food you can eat as the animals has been free their whole life. Below is a link to one of the most famous hunters in Norway.
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And linked to the following youtube clip, it's in Norwegian but it shows a hunter who found 2 fawns and adopted them even though he had not killed the mother:-

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The Fear - 13/10/2017 09:44

I don't buy that argument at all, there is enough animal tourism to pay for the conservation, you don't have to kill the animals to conserve them.
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I tend to agree but if what BB says is correct in the USA then it's a point that must be considered. I'm note sure they have the same levels of animal tourism in the States.

 
I think there are game reserves in Africa that survive through hunting.

Tourism seems to be enough in most areas, so I'm not sure on the legitimacy of their claims. It could just be an excuse to shoot innocent animals.
 
Nice clip you've posted, just shows you can respect wildlife and understand the bigger picture (not over fishing, hunting etc. Hunting only during appropriate seasons and so on... and still be a meat eater!

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I don't have the figures re licenses obviously, I'd be very surprised if BB has got something right though :3:

If they make that much money out of licenses, one could counter argue that they are obviously profiteering and over hunting unless the licenses cost an absolute fortune per person.
 
What jumps to mind with me is these so called "Trophy Hunters". These big money "Trophy Hunters" should be hunted! Invariably, they are hunting animals that are protected and on the endangered list.

Money talks, but they need taking down.... fast!

 
What jumps to mind with me is these so called "Trophy Hunters". These big money "Trophy Hunters" should be hunted! Invariably, they are hunting animals that are protected and on the endangered list.

Money talks, but they need taking down.... fast!

 
In the Facebook discussion, some people argued that modern farming and abattoirs are more humane than hunting. I disagree but I'd like to here others' viewpoints on this.


 
I would imagine that they have a good point. can you guarantee with the hunters that the first shot is quick, humane and instant? Most decent abattoirs cause instant death. With that said, there is the lead up to it so you might have a point.
 
Add to that the factory farming methods that will determin the animals quality of life and I struggle to condone the modern farming and slaughtering methids compared to hunting.
 
We have friends in New Mexico and they go out most years and "harvest" one elk. I think they are restricted to one per season (a bit like Gabby and goals) and agree which of the family will do the deed.
One year, their 18 year old daughter harvested her first elk, her older sister having turned down the opportunity.
They then have the beast butchered and fill up the freezer afterwards.
 
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