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How many points will we get back Poll

How many points will we get back ?

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Strett said:
The motion was bought by Crystal Palace and I kinda get it.
Look at Villa and Toon last season; made Champions League, but have to sell their best assets.
The huge unintended consequence is it benefits the big 6 disproportionately.
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The change in rules already coming in next year allows bigger clubs like Villa and NUFC to spend more as a %. It still benefits the big six but that six could quickly become 8 or 10. The rest remain disadvantaged and feeder clubs.
 
Would it work to have an allowable investment by owners each season on top of PSR or whatever the new system is going to be. Say £50mill or whatever. It would limit the astronomical investment of the Man City's whilst allowing ambitious owners to progress a smaller club. There's still the PSR benefit for having higher revenues but it goes some way to bridging the gap for lower income clubs and doesn't make it quite such a stark divide, as £50mill would represent a much higher % increase in finances for the little guy compared to the big 6.
 
LynxRed said:
Would it work to have an allowable investment by owners each season on top of PSR or whatever the new system is going to be. Say £50mill or whatever. It would limit the astronomical investment of the Man City's whilst allowing ambitious owners to progress a smaller club. There's still the PSR benefit for having higher revenues but it goes some way to bridging the gap for lower income clubs and doesn't make it quite such a stark divide, as £50mill would represent a much higher % increase in finances for the little guy compared to the big 6.
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Almost like our version of the ‘luxury tax’ over here for the NBA and MLB
 
LynxRed said:
Would it work to have an allowable investment by owners each season on top of PSR or whatever the new system is going to be. Say £50mill or whatever. It would limit the astronomical investment of the Man City's whilst allowing ambitious owners to progress a smaller club. There's still the PSR benefit for having higher revenues but it goes some way to bridging the gap for lower income clubs and doesn't make it quite such a stark divide, as £50mill would represent a much higher % increase in finances for the little guy compared to the big 6.
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so youre 4th from bottom and relegation and are considering that with parachute payents it will cost you 40m in losses if you drop ( assuming tv money 100m for bottom). Unless they get that allowed extra spending figure correct it could lead to a club being able to do down but spend twice as much as anybody else on thier return. some nuances for sure
 
Basha73 said:
Given the deal was done in January we would have far more chance of arguing mitigation than we did with BJ. We have done with Mangala exactly what they said we should have done with BJ so it would be instant grounds for appeal if they rejected it.

This time we just need to hire a competent lawyer…
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does the 10m quid we have spent on egents and lawyers count under PSR?
 
seasider red said:
I know its asking for a lot for you'd hope that a bit of common sense might prevail here. If the transaction is signed & sealed before 30th June but money doesn't change hands until 1st July then that should be good enough.

I know the argument wasn't accepted with Johnson but the time lag there was 2 months and there was no guaranteed deal in place at the 30th June whereas this time there is a guaranteed deal in place & the transaction will take place on 1st July a lag of one day. Surely not even the premier League are quite that pedantic, & if they charged us on that basis they would look IMO a bit stupid
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This is partly why we have the rules too tho, promnisesand lies before a penny has even changed hands. maybe we should all go back to cash up front :)
 
Polly 433 said:
The change in rules already coming in next year allows bigger clubs like Villa and NUFC to spend more as a %. It still benefits the big six but that six could quickly become 8 or 10. The rest remain disadvantaged and feeder clubs.
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They arent bigger clubs than us, not yet anyway. one has the richest owners in world football but thats all at this point :)
 
Don't know if it's been mentioned before but i had a look at this :

swissramble.substack.com

Nottingham Forest Finances 2022/23

Chequeless Reckless
swissramble.substack.com swissramble.substack.com

Then i plugged in numbers for a forecast this year :

EPLEPLChampionship
2023/242022/232021/223 Year allowable
Gate Receipts
12.65​
11.00​
8.20​
31.85​
Broadcasting
143.52​
124.80​
12.20​
280.52​
Mechandising
8.17​
7.10​
3.60​
18.87​
Other commercial
13.57​
11.80​
5.70​
31.07​
Commercial
21.74​
18.90​
9.30​
49.94​
Turnover
177.91​
154.70​
29.70​
362.31​
Wages
(144.90)​
(144.90)​
(58.60)​
(348.40)​
Other
(28.00)​
(28.00)​
(12.90)​
(68.90)​
Expenses
(172.90)​
(172.90)​
(71.50)​
(417.30)​
EBITDA
5.01​
(18.20)​
(41.80)​
(55.00)​
Player Amortisation
(44.88)​
(40.80)​
(7.30)​
(92.98)​
Depreciation
(0.66)​
(0.60)​
(0.40)​
(1.66)​
Total DA
(45.54)​
(41.40)​
(7.70)​
(94.64)​
Operating Profit / (Loss)
(40.54)​
(59.60)​
(49.50)​
(149.64)​
Profit on player sales
60.00​
2.60​
4.10​
66.70​
Profit before interest and Tax
19.47​
(57.00)​
(45.40)​
(82.94)​
Allowable losses
35​
35​
13​
83.00​
Under / (Over) PSR
54.47​
(22.00)​
(32.40)​
0.06​

We could easily have grown turnover to £178m with a shirt sponsor and the increase in STs etc. Add in things like the concert and i can see this being realistic..

I'm assuming player amortisation to be up by 15% but this is a guess.

I assume wages to be the same but in reality i'd expect a slight drop without linguard in there.

SO... we need to have a total of £60m in player sales.

BJ - £45m
Surridge and Scarpa - £5m

So for me we need what about £10m extra ? would worrall and a couple of others do that ?

Anyone at the club should have been forecasting this on a rolling basis though!!
 
I would be stunned if EM doesn’t use Oly for a transfer before end of June.
Worrall just returned from Turkey, so is it beyond reason to see if he would fancy a transfer to Oly, in Europe next season?

Richards, Bowler, Biancone have all gone, why not another to help our financial position while still being able to cope with the Greek league
 
Polly 433 said:
The change in rules already coming in next year allows bigger clubs like Villa and NUFC to spend more as a %. It still benefits the big six but that six could quickly become 8 or 10. The rest remain disadvantaged and feeder clubs.
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I thought it was less. 85% in the Prem but reduced to 70% per UEFA rules for those in Europe.
 
Pope John XXIII said:
Apparently Mangala doesn't help as he goes on 1st July

https://twitter.com/x/status/1787855727861583999

Based on this calculation we'll need at least £30m, as no doubt the club vastly overestimated it's finishing position and winning money as well. There is a potential £20m difference in that if they estimated to finish where Palace did

I don't think selling MGW is a goer for this. We just can't make enough on him over what we paid by June 30th
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I can't remember who it was - but they sold a player in July last season and because all of the agreements were in place prior to the end of June it was allowed to count to the 22/23 P&R.
I seem to think it was Mason Mount from Chelsea to Man Utd?
Of course it is highly unlikely they will allow us to do that
 
i won woohoo. i just noticed i was the last poster on almost all topics today so thought id add another one. :eek:

way too much time on my hands right now, finshed work for the year and ready to move home but few pains in the butt slowing it all down :) This and tube suffer my ramblings in the mean time :)
 
Fulhamred said:
Don't know if it's been mentioned before but i had a look at this :

swissramble.substack.com

Nottingham Forest Finances 2022/23

Chequeless Reckless
swissramble.substack.com swissramble.substack.com

Then i plugged in numbers for a forecast this year :

EPLEPLChampionship
2023/242022/232021/223 Year allowable
Gate Receipts
12.65​
11.00​
8.20​
31.85​
Broadcasting
143.52​
124.80​
12.20​
280.52​
Mechandising
8.17​
7.10​
3.60​
18.87​
Other commercial
13.57​
11.80​
5.70​
31.07​
Commercial
21.74​
18.90​
9.30​
49.94​
Turnover
177.91​
154.70​
29.70​
362.31​
Wages
(144.90)​
(144.90)​
(58.60)​
(348.40)​
Other
(28.00)​
(28.00)​
(12.90)​
(68.90)​
Expenses
(172.90)​
(172.90)​
(71.50)​
(417.30)​
EBITDA
5.01​
(18.20)​
(41.80)​
(55.00)​
Player Amortisation
(44.88)​
(40.80)​
(7.30)​
(92.98)​
Depreciation
(0.66)​
(0.60)​
(0.40)​
(1.66)​
Total DA
(45.54)​
(41.40)​
(7.70)​
(94.64)​
Operating Profit / (Loss)
(40.54)​
(59.60)​
(49.50)​
(149.64)​
Profit on player sales
60.00​
2.60​
4.10​
66.70​
Profit before interest and Tax
19.47​
(57.00)​
(45.40)​
(82.94)​
Allowable losses
35​
35​
13​
83.00​
Under / (Over) PSR
54.47​
(22.00)​
(32.40)​
0.06​

We could easily have grown turnover to £178m with a shirt sponsor and the increase in STs etc. Add in things like the concert and i can see this being realistic..

I'm assuming player amortisation to be up by 15% but this is a guess.

I assume wages to be the same but in reality i'd expect a slight drop without linguard in there.

SO... we need to have a total of £60m in player sales.

BJ - £45m
Surridge and Scarpa - £5m

So for me we need what about £10m extra ? would worrall and a couple of others do that ?

Anyone at the club should have been forecasting this on a rolling basis though!!
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28m is a big 'other' is that the wasted money? lawyers, ex refs, sacking mangers, agents fees etc? or what?
 
finbar70 said:
I would be stunned if EM doesn’t use Oly for a transfer before end of June.
Worrall just returned from Turkey, so is it beyond reason to see if he would fancy a transfer to Oly, in Europe next season?

Richards, Bowler, Biancone have all gone, why not another to help our financial position while still being able to cope with the Greek league
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Worrall would be huge in the Greek league.
 
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