How do we get silverware?

Welshtel

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Though I don't particularly like the guy, I have to say that this report from Rio Ferdinand makes a lot of sense and though all that is says may not be particularly right, there's something there that has a semblance of truth. I suspect it's the immaturity of a young side and inexperience that is our problem and that youthful exuberance is not the only thing we need. Effort and 'push' with a good set of skills are not the only things we require to hit the top big time, as I think we are soon about to do.

I don't think we should over stress our young players by barracking them into an intense and nervous mood but just to train them and let them enjoy themselves, dare I say it, as Harry would likely have done. Enjoyment of what they do should be paramount so I think we have gone down the right route.

Ferdinand has set about trying to analyse it, suggesting a few more ideas too and I found this report of what he said:

"Former Manchester United captain Rio Ferdinand believes Tottenham Hotspur need more leadership within the ranks at White Hart Lane if they are to secure major silverware.

'Mauricio Pochettino’s men fell short for the seventh consecutive time in the FA Cup semi-final, setting a new unwanted record following the North London side’s 4-2 defeat to Chelsea at Wembley Stadium on Saturday.

The second-placed Premier League outfit host a number of top-flight stars, including Harry Kane and the PFA Young Player of the Year winner Dele Alli, however the 38-year-old, six-time league winner believes Spurs are still missing a key ingredient to success.

“You need leaders on that pitch who have been over that line and said ‘you know what, I know how to get through the finish line’,” Ferdinand stated on BT Sport Football’s official Twitter account.

“I don’t see one of them at the moment. They need to get over that finish line; someway, somehow, to get their hands on a trophy.

“It seems at the moment they’re getting to the edge and not getting over there.”

Tottenham’s trophy drought now extends to nine years following their latest exit, with next season likely to be Spurs’ first opportunity in curbing their baron spell since becoming League Cup champions in 2008.

The North Londoners could still secure their first Premier League trophy, however they currently sit four points behind league leaders Chelsea, with the Blues holding a considerably easier run-in than their nearest challengers.

But Pochettino’s youngsters will be able to fight for silverware on four fronts again next term, and will be hoping that strengthening throughout the summer will allow for an even better showing in their search for success."

He's possibly right and though it's in the back my mind that he's a former Mank, I need to be fair in thinking about his points. Maybe we DO need more leaders (or preferably 'leader' to cut out confusion) and maybe he's right in saying that we need more on the pitch to take the initiatives and push us over the line of hitting the top. Either way the guy does have a hell of a lot of experience at winning trophies (grrrrr). But I will say that his report even though he spells barren 'baron' and invents a new word 'someway' doesn't seem biased and does sound truthful. Even it were criticism, we need to fairly listen to criticism because we can learn from it.

He does call the team 'youngsters' and that affirms what I said myself and I suppose that's the crux of his comments, experience is needed.

But as he also says, next season we have another opportunity for winning trophies so the guy's being quite fair and we CAN push over the line, we've had yet another season of being at the top and could STILL make It to a trophy. Next season we will be even more experienced and less nervous if that has played a part before, it certainly appeared so last season.

So thanks for the comments RIO, you can fly off back to your perch and watch this space, personally I think Pochettino has it in hand and the players are getting better and better but I do think you can see what the rest are seeing, that THFC are making a huge impact and a club for the future, seem familiar to your experience?


 
Leaders on the field, experienced heads? Might help but I think that the lesson was learned last year when we folded up, and the team and the manager had no idea how to cope when the toys were snatched out of reach.

This year the players are more steely and don't beleive the hype that they are the best and it will jsut happen, which they certainly thought last year. I would like to see somone organising us at defensive set-pices, as that doesn't happen. I have a suspicion our manager couldn't deal with the existence of a strong, successful captain type though, as the players wouldn't just be looking to him for answers.

Winning trophies requires a manager who knows how, which we just don't have.

Each and everytime we have got close, he has mucked it right up by making bizarre tactical / personnel decisions. For all our potential, the limitation is what is lacking inside Porkys head.





 
Bald Archie - 25/4/2017 20:45

Leaders on the field, experienced heads? Might help but I think that the lesson was learned last year when we folded up, and the team and the manager had no idea how to cope when the toys were snatched out of reach.

This year the players are more steely and don't beleive the hype that they are the best and it will jsut happen, which they certainly thought last year. I would like to see somone organising us at defensive set-pices, as that doesn't happen. I have a suspicion our manager couldn't deal with the existence of a strong, successful captain type though, as the players wouldn't just be looking to him for answers.

Winning trophies requires a manager who knows how, which we just don't have.

Each and everytime we have got close, he has mucked it right up by making bizarre tactical / personnel decisions. For all our potential, the limitation is what is lacking inside Porkys head.



Poch lost us that game, simple as that.
 
Our first 11 isn't that young. Apart from Alli everyone is either mid 20's, late 20's early 30's. Even our bench and back up players are at a reasonable age.

It's a myth we have a very young side.

 
Get better players.

If we signed Gabiadinni instead of Janssen we would be closer to Chelsea

Sissoko is a joke

Onamah/Nkodou are not good enough

We also need a top class replacement for Alli/Christian/Son if they are not playing well

Our squad is not good enough, our first 11 is missing something to get over the line in big games and the manager is naive at times which is costing us.

 
As good as the trio of Alli, Eriksen, Kane are when on form they don't have enough pace or natural dribbling ability to go past players when they have the ball.

It was evident at the weekend in a massive game against better players. Big reason we barley created any chances even though we had more of the ball. Something Shearer picked up on but nobody on here did.

We need one more first team player brought in.

Then we need a Rose back up who has his skill set. That is not Davies although he is a good LB.

After that we need to up grade Sissoko. Still unsure on N'Kou and Janssen.
 
We'll need to wait another decade at least before the problem of silverware comes up again.

A few players who we don't want to lose will leave this summer, and next season at Wembley will be a disaster.

Why bother kidding yourself it will be any different , after all lads, it's only Spurs.
 
"Mauricio Pochettino’s men fell short for the seventh consecutive time in the FA Cup semi-final"

Wow reaching 7 FA Cup semi finals in 3 years, amazing work Poch.
 
Real Deal - 25/4/2017 21:25

As good as the trio of Alli, Eriksen, Kane are when on form they don't have enough pace or natural dribbling ability to go past players when they have the ball.

It was evident at the weekend in a massive game against better players. Big reason we barley created any chances even though we had more of the ball. Something Shearer picked up on but nobody on here did.

That point was mentioned a few seasons ago RD, too little dialogue but much abuse ensued, as it meant getting rid of Lamela.
 
Real Deal - 25/4/2017 20:57

Our first 11 isn't that young. Apart from Alli everyone is either mid 20's, late 20's early 30's. Even our bench and back up players are at a reasonable age.

It's a myth we have a very young side.

We have the youngest average squad in the league by about 3 years I think, around 25 years old!? So I wouldn't call it a myth, not many teams (especially big/successful teams) have a squad average anywhere near that.
 
ScottDaYid - 26/4/2017 10:58

Real Deal - 25/4/2017 20:57

Our first 11 isn't that young. Apart from Alli everyone is either mid 20's, late 20's early 30's. Even our bench and back up players are at a reasonable age.

It's a myth we have a very young side.

We have the youngest average squad in the league by about 3 years I think, around 25 years old!? So I wouldn't call it a myth, not many teams (especially big/successful teams) have a squad average anywhere near that.
The stats say we are the youngest, but so what?

All you need in two or three older players in the squad who aren't real first 11 and the age changes quite a bit. The way some people go on about it, you would think that he team is all 18-22 year olds. Just about everyone of the first 11 are fairly established Internationals.

The age thing gets trotted out like some badge of honour to excuse crap performances by all and sundry inculding the manager.
 
ScottDaYid - 26/4/2017 10:58

Real Deal - 25/4/2017 20:57

Our first 11 isn't that young. Apart from Alli everyone is either mid 20's, late 20's early 30's. Even our bench and back up players are at a reasonable age.

It's a myth we have a very young side.

We have the youngest average squad in the league by about 3 years I think, around 25 years old!? So I wouldn't call it a myth, not many teams (especially big/successful teams) have a squad average anywhere near that.

What was the average age of the United team with Beckham etc?
 
Real Deal - 25/4/2017 21:25

As good as the trio of Alli, Eriksen, Kane are when on form they don't have enough pace or natural dribbling ability to go past players when they have the ball.

It was evident at the weekend in a massive game against better players. Big reason we barley created any chances even though we had more of the ball. Something Shearer picked up on but nobody on here did.

We need one more first team player brought in.

Then we need a Rose back up who has his skill set. That is not Davies although he is a good LB.

After that we need to up grade Sissoko. Still unsure on N'Kou and Janssen.

I think we have missed Rose for his pushing forward and foresight in getting the ball across to players. But like RD says, we lack players who can get past the opposition, tackle and push on. Dembele is one who can do it well but on occasions he decides to pass rathe than push up. I don't blame him, he sees 3 or 4 players ahead upfield and decide to break them up but knowing his skills, if he pushed on then he could get a pass in once he's got ahead and they're all tied up trying to close him down. If we had more it's his reputation we could cause more mayhem. I like Davies now though, he's come on well while Danny's been off.
 
We miss Rose massively. You are correct Welsh.

But we are still in 2nd.

 
Bald Archie - 26/4/2017 18:20

ScottDaYid - 26/4/2017 10:58

Real Deal - 25/4/2017 20:57

Our first 11 isn't that young. Apart from Alli everyone is either mid 20's, late 20's early 30's. Even our bench and back up players are at a reasonable age.

It's a myth we have a very young side.

We have the youngest average squad in the league by about 3 years I think, around 25 years old!? So I wouldn't call it a myth, not many teams (especially big/successful teams) have a squad average anywhere near that.
The stats say we are the youngest, but so what?

All you need in two or three older players in the squad who aren't real first 11 and the age changes quite a bit. The way some people go on about it, you would think that he team is all 18-22 year olds. Just about everyone of the first 11 are fairly established Internationals.

The age thing gets trotted out like some badge of honour to excuse crap performances by all and sundry inculding the manager.

Pretty much what I was thinking. Just because our team/squad is younger than other teams doesn't mean we have a very young team/squad. That facts say differently. It's a complete myth.

The only real youngsters that have had a sniff are Alli, Winks. CCV and Onomah are not ready.

A good aged squad yes, a young team/squad no.