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Here we go!

I'm still holding out hope that government is just negotiating while there are no gigs happening.
It might be the case.

This personally affects me and most of my friends (why else do you think i live in Manchester? the charming accent?), so its something i feel strongly about. I don't think the blame can be put on the EU here, given that its impossible to find the actual specific reasons why our government rejected their offer. The government says 'its what the industry wants' but no-one within the industry actually wants this at all. I've a feeling its about optics more than anything else.

The reasons were (as I understand it) was it only covered the artists, not the other members of the tour. The UK gov thought that was unreasonable and I tend to agree. Why should the bloke driving the Transit have to fill in the paperwork, while the bloke holding the mic doesn't?
 
The reasons were (as I understand it) was it only covered the artists, not the other members of the tour. The UK gov thought that was unreasonable and I tend to agree. Why should the bloke driving the Transit have to fill in the paperwork, while the bloke holding the mic doesn't?
That makes some sense, as long as a deal happens that works for everyone, because left as it is, its really wrecking alot of stuff that people have dedicated their lives to.
 
That makes some sense, as long as a deal happens that works for everyone, because left as it is, its really wrecking alot of stuff that people have dedicated their lives to.

In a previous life I drove a tour bus (tranny) down to Camden as I roadied for Slaughterhouse 5 (some may be aware of them)
It is up there as one of the most wild nights I've ever had. I made a bit of a tit of myself at the after show party when I asked "how many cans are we buying" when told, we're all chucking a tenner in for some coke.
We stayed at a gaff like Withnails, but with more pots in the sink.

Ah, salad days.
 
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"11 years of conservative government, preceded by 13 years of neoliberal government, preceded by 18 years of conservative government.

If only the Left could get a shot at rebalancing things..."
 

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Yep all insane except you and Lienking. Good work Obergruppenfuhrer


This from someone who can see how much devastation this will cause for the next generations of musicians

"The Tories have rejected my union’s proposal, backed by hundreds of thousands of signatories, for a musicians’ passport to tour the EU without the need for visas, carnets and work permits for each individual state. This will render touring completely financially unviable for all but the biggest, most mainstream acts.

In all the mountains of messages of support I’ve received for my writings on this issue there were a couple of snide remarks along the lines of ‘you should have been more successful then, shouldn’t you?’

I’ve never spelt this out before, but I’m going to now.

And this is not about or for me, I’ve had my time and it has been absolutely fantastic.

It’s about people a third of my age who think like me. And there are many.

Since the age of 23, for 39 of the 40 years I’ve been Attila the Stockbroker, I have earned my living doing what I love, exactly in the way I want to do it, with no compromise whatsoever. That is not only an incredible privilege (born of a lot of hard work, mind you) but is the very definition of ‘success’ for me.

I’ve never wanted to be part of the mainstream, be ‘a TV celebrity’, do some bloody radio 4 game show. I come from the DIY punk scene. My goals, well and truly met, were John Peel sessions, strange underground TV broadcasts and eclectic overseas college radio - and, most importantly, thousands of gigs in as many interesting places in as many interesting countries as would have me. (About 3700 in 24 so far.)

I wanted to do literally everything on my own terms. I have done and still do. DIY. Complete control, even over this song!

That’s my choice, the choice of many performers of my original DIY punk generation, and still the choice for many creative people in many different art forms today. It may feel a bit swamped in a modern world where ‘being a celebrity’ is a career goal for many, but it’s still very much alive.

Since 1992 that choice was made vastly easier by EU open borders. It’s now been taken way from us. The underground, the experimental, the bloody-minded, the minority: cultural boundary-breakers of all kinds, now halted by physical boundaries imposed on us by mainstream politicians voted for by mainstream celebrity-worshipping consumers of mainstream culture who tell us ‘we should be more successful’.

Bollocks to the lot of them. "
 
Yet another Remainer lie exposed. How many times did they insist that Brexiteers were being "absurd" in describing the bloc as a federal superstate?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/21/eu-diplomat-row-shows-brexiteers-right-brussels-does-aim-become/

Should we accept that the EU is a sovereign nation and afford it privileges and rights as set out in the Vienna Convention? Even though the EU is not a "sovereign nation"?

But if the EU is now openly identifying and behaving as a country, what does that say about the 27 member states within its jurisdiction?
Can they really be considered full independent nations too?
Can sovereignty over the same matters be said to reside in EU institutions and national ones simultaneously?

"True intellectual consistency would demand that were the EU’s demands to be acceded to, Mr Raab would need to call in 27 European ambassadors and tell them they were being downgraded to provincial emissaries no longer entitled to ignore parking fines or tax demands."

Will we tell the German ambassador that he only represents a province within the EU, and must give up his privileges?

The irony of all this is quite amusing.
 
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Yet another Remainer lie exposed. How many times did they insist that Brexiteers were being "absurd" in describing the bloc as a federal superstate?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...teers-right-brussels-does-aim-become/#comment

Should we accept that the EU is a sovereign nation and afford it privileges and rights as set out in the Vienna Convention? Even though the EU is not a "sovereign nation"?

But if the EU is now openly identifying and behaving as a country, what does that say about the 27 member states within its jurisdiction?
Can they really be considered full independent nations too?
Can sovereignty over the same matters be said to reside in EU institutions and national ones simultaneously?

"True intellectual consistency would demand that were the EU’s demands to be acceded to, Mr Raab would need to call in 27 European ambassadors and tell them they were being downgraded to provincial emissaries no longer entitled to ignore parking fines or tax demands."

Will we tell the German ambassador that he only represents a province within the EU, and must give up his privileges?

The irony of all this is quite amusing.
The whole thing was reported on the BBC news website this morning. So obvious what the intentions are going forward.
 
This from someone who can see how much devastation this will cause for the next generations of musicians

"The Tories have rejected my union’s proposal, backed by hundreds of thousands of signatories, for a musicians’ passport to tour the EU without the need for visas, carnets and work permits for each individual state. This will render touring completely financially unviable for all but the biggest, most mainstream acts.

In all the mountains of messages of support I’ve received for my writings on this issue there were a couple of snide remarks along the lines of ‘you should have been more successful then, shouldn’t you?’

I’ve never spelt this out before, but I’m going to now.

And this is not about or for me, I’ve had my time and it has been absolutely fantastic.

It’s about people a third of my age who think like me. And there are many.

Since the age of 23, for 39 of the 40 years I’ve been Attila the Stockbroker, I have earned my living doing what I love, exactly in the way I want to do it, with no compromise whatsoever. That is not only an incredible privilege (born of a lot of hard work, mind you) but is the very definition of ‘success’ for me.

I’ve never wanted to be part of the mainstream, be ‘a TV celebrity’, do some bloody radio 4 game show. I come from the DIY punk scene. My goals, well and truly met, were John Peel sessions, strange underground TV broadcasts and eclectic overseas college radio - and, most importantly, thousands of gigs in as many interesting places in as many interesting countries as would have me. (About 3700 in 24 so far.)

I wanted to do literally everything on my own terms. I have done and still do. DIY. Complete control, even over this song!

That’s my choice, the choice of many performers of my original DIY punk generation, and still the choice for many creative people in many different art forms today. It may feel a bit swamped in a modern world where ‘being a celebrity’ is a career goal for many, but it’s still very much alive.

Since 1992 that choice was made vastly easier by EU open borders. It’s now been taken way from us. The underground, the experimental, the bloody-minded, the minority: cultural boundary-breakers of all kinds, now halted by physical boundaries imposed on us by mainstream politicians voted for by mainstream celebrity-worshipping consumers of mainstream culture who tell us ‘we should be more successful’.

Bollocks to the lot of them. "

"The UK pushed for a more ambitious agreement with the EU on the temporary movement of business travellers, which would have covered musicians & others, but our proposals were rejected by the EU"

Another remainer lie it would seem, so desperate to find bad news stories it's almost comical.
 
Argument? I'm not arguing I'm holding the hands of people whining for no real reason.

As for this specific point, the EU proposals covered the artists but not the roadies and all other non-performing staff, this is why the UK government rejected them, they were looking out for the ‘little guy’

I suppose the poor fella who powders Sir Elton’s wig, and tells him how special he is as he comes off stage, is low on his priorities.

I have no tome for Champagne socialists who pretend to have a conscience.

Whats that? Tories looking out for the little guy?

Pull the other one, its got bells on
 
Well, if anything sums up the pointlessness of the EU, this is it. Have a lot of rules to make it harder and more expensive for artists to entertain their own people.

The EU are now depriving their own youth of a market they've enjoyed for decades, (including the 80s, prior to the EU, so not sure how they coped then).

They can always keep listening to their Euro-pop, and there's Eurovision don't forget.

Where does this road end chap? Not in a good place, its petty and it costs livlihoods.
 
"The UK pushed for a more ambitious agreement with the EU on the temporary movement of business travellers, which would have covered musicians & others, but our proposals were rejected by the EU"

Another remainer lie it would seem, so desperate to find bad news stories it's almost comical.

Sounds like another tory cherry pick to me.

But taken on their word 'ambitious' would make me nervous with these clowns. So the EU didnt trust their version of operation moonshot, can u blame em?
 
Yet another Remainer lie exposed. How many times did they insist that Brexiteers were being "absurd" in describing the bloc as a federal superstate?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/21/eu-diplomat-row-shows-brexiteers-right-brussels-does-aim-become/

Should we accept that the EU is a sovereign nation and afford it privileges and rights as set out in the Vienna Convention? Even though the EU is not a "sovereign nation"?

But if the EU is now openly identifying and behaving as a country, what does that say about the 27 member states within its jurisdiction?
Can they really be considered full independent nations too?
Can sovereignty over the same matters be said to reside in EU institutions and national ones simultaneously?

"True intellectual consistency would demand that were the EU’s demands to be acceded to, Mr Raab would need to call in 27 European ambassadors and tell them they were being downgraded to provincial emissaries no longer entitled to ignore parking fines or tax demands."

Will we tell the German ambassador that he only represents a province within the EU, and must give up his privileges?

The irony of all this is quite amusing.

Semantic bullshittery but a brilliant way to win friends and influence people.

The EU cannot be a sovereign nation when it is a supranational organisation. Not aware anyone but hard right anti europeans have suggested otherwise.

All institutions in the eu ultimately defer to the council of (elected govt.) ministers.
 
"The UK pushed for a more ambitious agreement with the EU on the temporary movement of business travellers, which would have covered musicians & others, but our proposals were rejected by the EU"

Another remainer lie it would seem, so desperate to find bad news stories it's almost comical.

True dat. Brexit bad news stories are so hard to find