Good article on FFP and Aston Villa

Yes . When you look at it like that you can see why Randy had the foresight to be one of the very few who voted against FFP.
 
He genuinely couldn't get his head around it. To be limited in spending your own money is madness. To be limited on how much debt you take on, ok, now that would have been a good thing.
 
Grim reading Indeed but Bruce is best placed to deal with this shit.
 
There are ways around it though.

How about one of the Dr's companies doing a sale and lease back of BH.

Players wages being picked up by a sponsorship of that player etc etc.

There are ways.
 
Not impressed. Well written rehash of what is already out there, with no new insights.

£40m hole? Only those deep inside Villa know. Only those have (we hope) a grasp of how the finances add up, what we can afford, what we can't, what choices can be made. Wyness said there was a Plan B. Doubt if that's changed. I doubt it was at the desperate levels some are talking about.

The financial aspects are complex, and a back-of-the-envelope calculation which turns up £40m is unlikely to be accurate, either way. For example, the current FFP limit is £39m over the last two seasons and the coming one. What exactly were our losses over those last two seasons? Given the fact that we had to take into account the huge debt from the PL to meet FFP, they may be significantly less than the £13m per season limit.

I can see the reason for FFP. It weeds out the crooks. Owners can't milk a club then abandon it. What is deeply unfair is that the move from a one year to a three year assessment was back-dated. Hence the PL losses hitting us in the Championship.

Me, I'm not panicking until I see reasons to panic. Plan B may be workable. I hope it is!
 
Surprised at those two reactions.

It's this sort of thing that might just put pressure (doubt it though) on the EFL

How the facts are scaremongering I'm really not sure. It isn't much different to what we were told at the last FCG. Massive ramifications.

Ridiculous rules, hence why Randy voted against.
 
The Fear said:
Surprised at those two reactions.

It's this sort of thing that might just put pressure (doubt it though) on the EFL

How the facts are scaremongering I'm really not sure. It isn't much different to what we were told at the last FCG. Massive ramifications.

Ridiculous rules, hence why Randy voted against.
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Worst case scenario at best surely JF? If we have an owner that doesn't have the business acumen to find a way of not selling our own training ground, then maybe we are well and truly fucked.
 
Perhaps, but it was hard hitting and I thought understanding of the ridiculous rules and our plight. These rules didn't suit Randy (much maligned for the way he left us I totally get) at all. It was one of a few things that totally turned him off football as an owner.

Do they suit the new owner? Well, none of us can answer that, but has he really got the money? Few things point to no to me. The 'we've bought a film company' to 'we are still buying it' to the owner of the company saying 'no they are not' etc.

I might be too suspicious now and hope to be totally wrong about these suspicions.

Not heard talk of selling, but then these journos sometimes don't have their fingers totally on the pulse. But I did like a high profile national journo talking about a club like ours and our position as opposed to the usual PL obsession.

It is restrictive practice and it's mad. As we all know and have said, it should have been done on debt so no one could effectively mortgage the debt on the clubs. But of course, Man Utd already had, so the darlings who run football couldn't have them damaged could they?!
 
I think everything is pure speculation at this point. My best guess is Dr X’s recent statement was intended to say to the fans that “we gambled on big money wages and won’t be able to do that any more.”
I don’t think things are as bad as the media would like to have us believe (are they ever?), but we also won’t see the likes of Snoddy, Terry and Johnstone arriving next year either. There will be sales for sure and I trust the club (haven’t said that for a few years!) to do what is best.
From the standpoint of Bruce, his history before Villa was with under-financed clubs so I don’t fear that he will struggle - in fact he may be even better...
One final thought - in a so called free market economy how is FFP allowed to legally exist? It’s akin to communism and the fact that so many clubs voted in favour of it is scary.
FFP is an absolute joke.
 
I can think of possibilities which I don't like ( to put it mildly) some of which haven't remotely been touched upon. But I wouldn't call them suspicions; for that I'd need some evidence, for which I've seen nothing. From what we know about Xia so far, I'm inclined towards the OK side. He's brought in good people, he's repaired a huge amount of damage. Ask me again in a couple of years time (hope we've got that long).

I'm willing to wait until the club lifts the lid a bit on where we're going. The sooner the better.

What worries me is the "vultures gathering over the carcas of Aston Villa" articles appearing daily in the national press. That could seriously affect how anyone deals with the club, whether it's buying surplus players, players looking at the club as a prospect, loan deals, players and staff within the club, or whatever. It can only be fended off by the club coming clean.

At one extreme the situation could be appalling, far worse than we fear. But at the other end we could have a leaner, and dare I say fitter, Villa fighting at the right end of the Championship. I don't know, and I think it's pointless worrying about it. Patience.
 
Aye, time will tell.

I didn't like the picture painted at the last FCG really. For me, they've not built anything, they've gambled and lost.

As you (and to be fair I) have said, we'll know in a year or two. I know what I hope happens. I know what I think will happen!

We could have done what you said at the get go, had a leaner and fitter Villa.

The title... most don't realise the journalist seldom writes the headlines, that is a job specific to headline writers and quite often aren't really in line with what the article says.
 
JF - yep, the leaner, fitter bit could have been done earlier. Can't get my head around the way players were brought in January 2017, and then mostly benched. Overall think the window was fine, with unwanted players going. But that window should have set the path for the future, not a dead end.
 
The Fear said:
Aye, time will tell.

I didn't like the picture painted at the last FCG really. For me, they've not built anything, they've gambled and lost.

As you (and to be fair I) have said, we'll know in a year or two. I know what I hope happens. I know what I think will happen!

We could have done what you said at the get go, had a leaner and fitter Villa.

The title... most don't realise the journalist seldom writes the headlines, that is a job specific to headline writers and quite often aren't really in line with what the article says.
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And there we have it. GAMBLING!!!!!! That’s football now isn’t it??????? Shame for the real fans, thing is I’m not one of them as we speak but I was.
 
McParlandTheGreat said:
JF - yep, the leaner, fitter bit could have been done earlier. Can't get my head around the way players were brought in January 2017, and then mostly benched. Overall think the window was fine, with unwanted players going. But that window should have set the path for the future, not a dead end.
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and then Xia taking no resonsibility but pointing to the previous lot. We already know they made mistakes, we (?) had surely hoped that the new lot wouldn't do exactly the same.

For me, they have.

Hey ho. I quite like the championship so I'm ok! lol
 
I had the displeasure of going on holiday & staying at the same hotel as Samuels a few years back. Archetypical cockney media vulture
 
I may being a bit thick here but what happens if we break FFP , do we just get fined or do they deduct points or stop us going up or just a transfer embargo.
Can't stop us playing in Europe as we aren't likely to qualify for many years yet .

I really don't know
 
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