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Pope John XXIII said:
But you said everyone on the left gets expelled. Are you not on the left then?
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Surely you can see that I'm talking about the ones on the left that get expelled. I couldn't possibly be expelled as I wouldn't dream of being a member of this rancid party.
 
JC21 said:
....of 'THIS' rancid party; it's not the party I was a member of.
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I see.

So why did Ken Loach want to be part of the rancid party if he is really left wing?

Is he not really that left wing then?

Or is he actually really happy to not be in the rancid party any more?
 
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I see.

So why did Ken Loach want to be part of the rancid party if he is really left wing?

Is he not really that left wing then?

Or is he actually really happy to not be in the rancid party any more?
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Maybe he thinks that it's still worth fighting for? Maybe after his life's work as a socialist, he sees it as the only vehicle that can bring change? Perhaps you're better off asking him, he's actually quite accessible to the public.
 
was just talking about him in the other post. (I think)
all this antio semitism I think can go too far, Im not racist in any form but I think most people can see problems with Israel itself. It seems you only have to be critical of this wierdly powerful nation and youre out.
 
Do people think its time for a new left party?

The story of United Podemos here in Spain is very interesting one. Podemos were only formed I think about 7 years ago, got lots of votes and then joined together with all the small left parties to become United Podemos only 5 years ago..

I cant say that its done anything, in fact it has pretty much jammed up the system here in Spain in all the years since because no party can win an outight majority, tthey tend to get 25% each and none of them will join together, hence things dont get done as efficienty as they might be.

There mandate/idealism are pretty straighforward:

  • Economic: emphasis on public control, poverty reduction and social dignity via a basic income for everyone, it includes lobbying controls and punitive measures against tax avoidance by large corporations and multinational organizations as well as promotion of smaller enterprises.
    Revoking or curtailing the Treaty of Lisbon, abandoning memoranda of understanding, withdrawing from some free trade agreements and promoting referenda on any major constitutional reform.
    Reduction of fossil fuel consumption, promotion of public transport and renewable energy initiatives, reduction of industrial cash crop agriculture and stimulating local food production by small and medium enterprises.

I dont really have any personal thoughts right now on those particular points,; but its pretty clear about what it is about, there no confusion as to the type of politics that they would use if they got into power.

I can imagine that type of simply clear idealism would appeal to the smaller parties like the Greens, maybe the Libs and appeal to a probabaly a majority of the labour voting public.

Weve seen recent attempts at new parties during the brexit n corbyn shenanagans but they were alwaysa about those singular issues and not taken seriously for a moment.

Is it really impossible for say Ken Loach himself to form a new party for example and actually force it through or is it going to be this two party no long term plan government forever?
 
Taliban have basically retaken Afghanistan in a few weeks.

The whole thing is collapsing like a house of cards

I feel awful for all the women of Afghanistan. But it seems like the men of Afghanistan want this, or certainly didn't want freedom and democracy enough. The fact that that Taliban have been fighting in the hills for 20 years and have had no problem recruitinga generation of thousands of young men speaks volumes.
 
Pope John XXIII said:
Taliban have basically retaken Afghanistan in a few weeks.

The whole thing is collapsing like a house of cards

I feel awful for all the women of Afghanistan. But it seems like the men of Afghanistan want this, or certainly didn't want freedom and democracy enough. The fact that that Taliban have been fighting in the hills for 20 years and have had no problem recruitinga generation of thousands of young men speaks volumes.
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Given the last few hundred years of their history, the prevalence of extremist ideologies isn't particularly surprising.

Let's see if the US and UK see what's happening in Afghanistan now, compare it to what happened in Iraq after the handover, and learn some lessons about their middle east strategy.
 
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