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Will.NFFC

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So did you actually read all the links I sent, the detailed reports and watch/listen to the programmes?
It’s talked about in as much as it exists and anecdotally, but live news programmed don’t explicitly talk in numbers about the devastation, whereas with Covid impact is talked about in hospital figures, deaths, long Covid, cases etc. I’m saying that whilst those figures aren’t good, they aren’t compared numerically vs other huge economic downfalls.

For example I remember you talked about the 1m cases of long Covid, but I think I’m a tree made the point, how many undiagnosed cases of mental health issues are there that aren’t being contemplated? I’m saying it’s about sharing the complete picture.

It’s like sharing peoples mental health issues and business collapsing all the time but not acknowledging that there’s a deadly virus causing thousands of deaths, which is the result of it happening. The view of the public would be different, and not for the better.
 

Pearced

Vital 1st Team Regular
So to summarise IKEA and their 'Humanistic values'...
  1. Founded by a Nazi.
  2. Used slave labour to make furniture
  3. Fined €1m just this week for spying on employees in France
  4. Operates in Saudi Arabia which beheaded a 17 year old man this week for taking part in a demonstration.
  5. Cancelled ads on GB News after baseless woke complaints.

I think I'll increase my popcorn order this week.
That's the Saudi Arabia Boris sells weapons to isn't it?
 

Pearced

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As I've pointed out, anybody who is happy/ambivalent to be locked down in perpetuity, is doing so from a position of privilege; IE their lives are unaffected (furlough, wealth, ability to WFH, etc.)

Stop furlough tomorrow and the masses will rise up out of their over used sofas, wobble their newly rotund harris into the streets, via McDonalds, and complain.

Only then will the ivory tower inhabitants, who are recommending this latest, cripplingly pointless lockdown on us, may listen. Wouldn't count on it though.
and Mussolini got the trains running on time. Another of your heroes?
 

Pope John XXIII

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Andrew Neil posted they had boycotted GB news because of their alleged values.
Of course he did.

Red meat to it's target audience.

What does Andrew Neil say was the shocking, unbelievable content delivered in the last two days that these advertiser's somehow were not expecting?

I haven't exactly been glued to GBN, but what I have seen is a) not in the least bit shocking or offensive (disagreeable maybe, but that's my opinion) and b) absolutely exactly what it has always said on the tin.

I think Mr Neil has been running some adverts that he hasn't been paid for to make it look like they actually have some big advertisers (not a bad plan in fairness) and so he can cement the "war on woke" narrative when they cry foul at use of their adverts without permission.
 

Calvin Plummer

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It’s talked about in as much as it exists and anecdotally, but live news programmed don’t explicitly talk in numbers about the devastation, whereas with Covid impact is talked about in hospital figures, deaths, long Covid, cases etc. I’m saying that whilst those figures aren’t good, they aren’t compared numerically vs other huge economic downfalls.

For example I remember you talked about the 1m cases of long Covid, but I think I’m a tree made the point, how many undiagnosed cases of mental health issues are there that aren’t being contemplated? I’m saying it’s about sharing the complete picture.

It’s like sharing peoples mental health issues and business collapsing all the time but not acknowledging that there’s a deadly virus causing thousands of deaths, which is the result of it happening. The view of the public would be different, and not for the better.
You obviously didn't read them then. Oh well. There are lots of numbers in some and again talked about I'm shows.

I'll post just one this time in the hope you will at least try:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-55957105
 
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Will.NFFC

Vital Football Hero
You obviously didn't read them then. Oh well. There are lots of numbers in some and again talked about I'm shows.

I'll post just one this time in the hope you will at least try:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-55957105
Fair enough, well found articles - won’t fault that but It’s not headline news and it’s not ever measured by the government when they talk about the pandemic. My point is a lack of balance. Do you honestly disagree?
 
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Calvin Plummer

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Fair enough, well found articles - won’t fault that but It’s not headline news and it’s not ever measured by the government when they talk about the pandemic. My point is a lack of balance. Do you honestly disagree?
I'm not defending the government, but tell me what do you think the mental health toll would be if deaths were far, far higher? If we had far, far more cases of long Covid? If the NHS was completely overwhelmed and not only had less resources to help the mental health crisis but also all the extra people who'd be on waiting lists? What of their mental health? What of the mental health of NHS or Care staff if we ignored the virus?

There is undoubtedly a huge mental health bill to pay, for so many reasons caused by this pandemic. I just think its foolish to pretend it wouldn't be far worse if we had just ignored or shortened lockdowns.

We do need lots more conversations about it, lots more openness, lots more resources and lots more compassion. So I'll make a small start:

*hugs*
 

Basha73

Vital Football Hero
I'm not defending the government, but tell me what do you think the mental health toll would be if deaths were far, far higher? If we had far, far more cases of long Covid? If the NHS was completely overwhelmed and not only had less resources to help the mental health crisis but also all the extra people who'd be on waiting lists? What of their mental health? What of the mental health of NHS or Care staff if we ignored the virus?

There is undoubtedly a huge mental health bill to pay, for so many reasons caused by this pandemic. I just think its foolish to pretend it wouldn't be far worse if we had just ignored or shortened lockdowns.

We do need lots more conversations about it, lots more openness, lots more resources and lots more compassion. So I'll make a small start:

*hugs*
It should be a constant ongoing conversation and we shouldn’t be afraid of taking a step backwards if necessary or a leap forward if it’s the right thing to do.

The team I manage are doing well but with the caveat of being extremely fragile at times mentally. Some because they need to get back to what we would call normality while for others it’s because they are scared of the potential consequences if we go too early.

And for the Stretts of this world who think the home-workers are ‘privileged’, this is a team of home workers whose job is to help people who can be extremely vulnerable…
 

Strett

Vital 1st Team Regular
It should be a constant ongoing conversation and we shouldn’t be afraid of taking a step backwards if necessary or a leap forward if it’s the right thing to do.

The team I manage are doing well but with the caveat of being extremely fragile at times mentally. Some because they need to get back to what we would call normality while for others it’s because they are scared of the potential consequences if we go too early.

And for the Stretts of this world who think the home-workers are ‘privileged’, this is a team of home workers whose job is to help people who can be extremely vulnerable…
Lol, I don't but for every homeworker who is conscientious there are two who toss it off walk their dogs during the day, cook, clean and all manner of "owtbar".

Cameras on the lap tops would be a good start ;-)
 
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JC21

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Lol, I don't but for every homeworker who is conscientious there are two who toss it off walk their dogs during the day, cook, clean and all manner of "owtbar".

Cameras on the lap tops would be a good start.
Fair play to the 66.6666666666666666666666666%

I don't know what laptop you've got duck but they've had cameras for years :grinning:
 

Strett

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It should be a constant ongoing conversation and we shouldn’t be afraid of taking a step backwards if necessary or a leap forward if it’s the right thing to do.

The team I manage are doing well but with the caveat of being extremely fragile at times mentally. Some because they need to get back to what we would call normality while for others it’s because they are scared of the potential consequences if we go too early.

And for the Stretts of this world who think the home-workers are ‘privileged’, this is a team of home workers whose job is to help people who can be extremely vulnerable…
Joshing aside, home workers need to think about the bigger picture, that if their job can be outsourced cheaper abroad, to somebody else sitting behind a screen, then it will be.
The economy will also suffer, the sandwich stalls, coffee shops, etc. which rely on passing trade will dry up.
People will not only WFH, they will increasingly shop from home too; another death knell for the high street.
 

Strett

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Fair play to the 66.6666666666666666666666666%

I don't know what laptop you've got duck but they've had cameras for years :grinning:
Bugger.
Do you think that email 'scam' that claimed to have recorded me 'enjoying' porn, and will distribute to all my contacts if I don't pay them some bitcoin, was legit after all?
 

Basha73

Vital Football Hero
Joshing aside, home workers need to think about the bigger picture, that if their job can be outsourced cheaper abroad, to somebody else sitting behind a screen, then it will be.
The economy will also suffer, the sandwich stalls, coffee shops, etc. which rely on passing trade will dry up.
People will not only WFH, they will increasingly shop from home too; another death knell for the high street.
This is Civil Service and not the sort of role that can be out-sourced - trust me previous governments have tried and it took a decade to fix the mess.

What I was alluding to is that homeworkers aren’t necessarily ‘privileged’. They got to work all through the pandemic rather than being furloughed and they got no thanks at all because ‘we would love to work from home’.

Now I do enjoy working from home as a rule but that’s because I can be both disciplined and quite anti-social. You have to know when to walk away and take a break and you have to be able to separate it from your actual home life.

It can be very lonely and soul destroying and I have seen people break first hand because of working at home. We had one person die in February - they lived alone in a flat and weren’t found for a fortnight because nobody could check up on them properly.

Even for those who say they are relatively unaffected, this has been far from a bed of roses…
 

Basha73

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Lol, I don't but for every homeworker who is conscientious there are two who toss it off walk their dogs during the day, cook, clean and all manner of "owtbar".

Cameras on the lap tops would be a good start ;-)
Do you know this or is it just a guess that you are using for hyperbolic effect?
 

Strett

Vital 1st Team Regular
This is Civil Service and not the sort of role that can be out-sourced - trust me previous governments have tried and it took a decade to fix the mess.

What I was alluding to is that homeworkers aren’t necessarily ‘privileged’. They got to work all through the pandemic rather than being furloughed and they got no thanks at all because ‘we would love to work from home’.

Now I do enjoy working from home as a rule but that’s because I can be both disciplined and quite anti-social. You have to know when to walk away and take a break and you have to be able to separate it from your actual home life.

It can be very lonely and soul destroying and I have seen people break first hand because of working at home. We had one person die in February - they lived alone in a flat and weren’t found for a fortnight because nobody could check up on them properly.

Even for those who say they are relatively unaffected, this has been far from a bed of roses…
That's awful.

The Mrs has suffered too WFH. I have real sympathy with those who also don't have the luxury of a room they can use as an office; folks living in a one bed flat for example, no garden or no pets allowed. Must be hell.
 

JC21

Vital 1st Team Regular
Joshing aside, home workers need to think about the bigger picture, that if their job can be outsourced cheaper abroad, to somebody else sitting behind a screen, then it will be.
The economy will also suffer, the sandwich stalls, coffee shops, etc. which rely on passing trade will dry up.
People will not only WFH, they will increasingly shop from home too; another death knell for the high street.
But the first bit also applies to people "sitting behind a screen" in an office.