From Bread basket to basketcase..

Spursex

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If ever there was an indictment of Mugabe's dicatorship, it's this....Zimbabe was once the food engine for the whole of Africa and foreign currency would flood in - now it's a literal disaster zone and farm productivity is now non-existent...


That'll be 175 quadrillion Zimbabwean dollars, please
Zimbabwe's central bank scraps old currency at the exchange rate of $1 for 35,000,000,000,000,000 old dollars


The largest denomination of Zimbabwean dollars

By Reuters

8:52AM BST 12 Jun 2015


Zimbabweans will start exchanging 'quadrillions' of local dollars for a few US dollars next week, as President Robert Mugabe's government discards its virtually worthless national currency, the central bank said on Thursday.

The southern African country started using foreign currencies like the US dollar and South African rand in 2009 after the Zimbabwean dollar was ruined by hyper-inflation, which hit 500bn percent in 2008.

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At the height of Zimbabwe's economic crisis in 2008, Zimbabweans had to carry plastic bags bulging with bank notes to buy basic goods like bread and milk. Prices were rising at least twice a day.

From Monday, customers who held Zimbabwean dollar accounts before March 2009 can approach their banks to convert their Zimbabwean dollar balance into dollars, Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe (RBZ) Governor John Mangudya said in a statement.

Robert Mugabe and his wife Grace (AP)

The process will legally end the local currency. Zimbabweans have until September to turn in their old bank notes, which some people sell as souvenirs to tourists.

Bank accounts with balances of up to 175 quadrillion Zimbabwean dollars will be paid $5. Those with balances above 175 quadrillion dollars will be paid at an exchange rate of $1 to 35 quadrillion Zimbabwean dollars.

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The highest - and last - bank note to be printed by the RBZ in 2008 was 100 trillion Zimbabwean dollars. It was not enough to ride a public bus to work for a week.

The RBZ said customers who still have stashes of old Zimbabwean dollar notes can walk into any bank and get $1 for every 250 trillion they hold.

That means a holder of a 100 trillion bank note will on Monday get 40 cents. The RBZ has set aside $20m to pay Zimbabwean dollar currency holders.
 
Zimbabwe had a flourishing agricultural base growing high quality produce which was exported worldwide.

The farms were owned and managed by white farmers who were kicked out.The farms were mismanaged and went to ruin. The world stood and watched it happen. I couldn't understand why.

 
Nick Real Deal - 14/6/2015 19:50

Zimbabwe had a flourishing agricultural base growing high quality produce which was exported worldwide.

The farms were owned and managed by white farmers who were kicked out.The farms were mismanaged and went to ruin. The world stood and watched it happen. I couldn't understand why.

Couldn't you? Its very straight forward...no oil. Ergo not in our self-interest that's how we roll. Ditto all that foreign aid we chuck about, if we called it what it is a bribe to put us in line for minerals, gas-expo it would stop all the old dears getting so worked up.
 
It could also have something to do with the 10's of thousands of Chinese troops that Mugabe has now had in China since 2008 - all in the best interests of being 'advisers' of course...especially around the new military airfield and 'training base' they're extending in the diamond rich Marange fields in eastern Zimbabwe...

Mugabe had to get his foreign currency from somewhere.
 
He can get in bed with who he likes. It has zero to do with our lack of interest in deposing Mugabe. It didn't pay so we don't care. Not sure why we even bother to pretend otherwise.
 
As a civilized species the world should not have allowed it to happen. Along with other uncivilized powers, they should be prevented from causing harm.
 
Nick Real Deal - 15/6/2015 09:21

As a civilized species the world should not have allowed it to happen. Along with other uncivilized powers, they should be prevented from causing harm.

It's got nothing to do with oil, but it does have everything to do with the guilt of an imperial past.

No one was prepared to and many haven't been prepared to do anything in Africa if you were once a colonial power, except perhaps for the odd foray by the French.

They elected him again and again - no one ever had a mandate to do anything about him and no one would ever have gained one. That's why he's been left alone to destroy his country...
 
Spursex - 15/6/2015 09:34

Nick Real Deal - 15/6/2015 09:21

As a civilized species the world should not have allowed it to happen. Along with other uncivilized powers, they should be prevented from causing harm.

It's got nothing to do with oil, but it does have everything to do with the guilt of an imperial past.

No one was prepared to and many haven't been prepared to do anything in Africa if you were once a colonial power, except perhaps for the odd foray by the French.

They elected him again and again - no one ever had a mandate to do anything about him and no one would ever have gained one. That's why he's been left alone to destroy his country...

You are delusional if you believe that , and it has everything to do with the minerals used in the computer you are working on and precious metals and stones. We have no conscience so we have no guilt. If you believe any of that crap about us giving a fig about our imperialist past you have not been paying any attention to our neo-colonial misadventures. Seriously I get we do not see the world politically the same way at all EX but I take you for way smarter than this. Put aside your slant and be honest about how we operate it has nothing to do with right wrong guilt or morality of any kind. We are the fifth wealthiest country in the world our reach is long, our influence both clandestine and overt is all over the continent of Africa and the middle east. We have simply decided to wait for Mugabe to die and like a rat up a sewer pipe we will be back cutting deals its more expedient. By which time we will be dealing with the Chinese who are our kind of murderers. I won't even address Nicks ideas about civilized they just too funny.
 
spurdon - 15/6/2015 17:49

Spursex - 15/6/2015 09:34

Nick Real Deal - 15/6/2015 09:21

As a civilized species the world should not have allowed it to happen. Along with other uncivilized powers, they should be prevented from causing harm.

It's got nothing to do with oil, but it does have everything to do with the guilt of an imperial past.

No one was prepared to and many haven't been prepared to do anything in Africa if you were once a colonial power, except perhaps for the odd foray by the French.

They elected him again and again - no one ever had a mandate to do anything about him and no one would ever have gained one. That's why he's been left alone to destroy his country...

You are delusional if you believe that , and it has everything to do with the minerals used in the computer you are working on and precious metals and stones. We have no conscience so we have no guilt. If you believe any of that crap about us giving a fig about our imperialist past you have not been paying any attention to our neo-colonial misadventures. Seriously I get we do not see the world politically the same way at all EX but I take you for way smarter than this. Put aside your slant and be honest about how we operate it has nothing to do with right wrong guilt or morality of any kind. We are the fifth wealthiest country in the world our reach is long, our influence both clandestine and overt is all over the continent of Africa and the middle east. We have simply decided to wait for Mugabe to die and like a rat up a sewer pipe we will be back cutting deals its more expedient. By which time we will be dealing with the Chinese who are our kind of murderers. I won't even address Nicks ideas about civilized they just too funny.

No, not delusional, just an analyst of fact.


We've never acted overtly or subvert in a continent where we couldn't gain a legal mandate - so I stick to the know facts, not the fantasies of the domain of the largely factless strewn conspiracy theorists.

As much as we've wanted to act against him, without a consensus from his neighbours or a mandate from the UN or the OAU, we could simply never act, as the second that we did, we'd have the ravaging anti post-colonial line-up, queuing up to stop us.

That has always been the real politick of Southern Africa, and whilst we may directly or indirectly support the legitimate opposition it hasn't stopped 'his' people from controlling the outcome of the 'free' elections.

So far from not wanting to, we've been totally and utterly unable to - that's what you aren't grasping. :14:
 
We've never acted overtly or subvert in a continent where we couldn't gain a legal mandate - so I stick to the know facts, not the fantasies of the domain of the largely factless strewn conspiracy theorists.

I take it back you are not smart. I'd start listing the incidents but I think if you are not aware of them you must be willfully ignorant.

I'll leave this here and simply say I can off my head name twenty more incidents. I could give you a reading list a mile long that highlights how facile what you have written is but I know now it would change not a note of the song you are singing. If you genuinely want me to believe you do not know this is our modus operandi and has been for many years(not a legal mandate in sight) then I had you pegged as a far better informed person than you are. However I merely believe you are being disingenuous.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/simon-mann-my-biggest-mistake-was-approaching-mark-thatcher-6255035.html
 
So we have moved from conspiracy theories to "evidence". Progress. No Ex your right we only act with a democratic mandate and altruistically when there is a clear moral imperative. Because we are cowed by people calling us names...LOL. Your dishonesty or lack of knowledge of your own history is epic. By all means continue to drip feed the credulous with this neo-con bilge but increasingly people are waking up to what we are. The people who feted Mugabe, Gaddafi, and Saudis in Buckinham palace. All about the benjamins.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/may/22/colombian-takes-bp-to-court-in-uk-alleged-complicity-kidnap-and-torture

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/aug/26/mi5-files-coup-british-guiana

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2002/nov/10/uk.davidshayler

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/exclusive-mi5-stands-accused-of-complicity-in-torture-this-year-after-trying-to-recruit-man-from-egyptian-jail-9399746.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/g4s-faces-fury-over-human-rights-abuses-9497654.html
 
Real Deal - 16/6/2015 08:20

It's always about oil. Come on EX you know this is the case.

No Zimbabwe was never about oil, it was never about resources and it still isn't - the bottom line is that factually we don't or can't act without a clear mandate - and we didn't and won't ever have one.

Everything else is obfuscation and misdirection and of course the now obligatory reference to carbon wars which in Southern Africa had never ever been an issue..
 
spurdon - 15/6/2015 22:01

So we have moved from conspiracy theories to "evidence". Progress. No Ex your right we only act with a democratic mandate and altruistically when there is a clear moral imperative. Because we are cowed by people calling us names...LOL. Your dishonesty or lack of knowledge of your own history is epic. By all means continue to drip feed the credulous with this neo-con bilge but increasingly people are waking up to what we are. The people who feted Mugabe, Gaddafi, and Saudis in Buckinham palace. All about the benjamins.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/may/22/colombian-takes-bp-to-court-in-uk-alleged-complicity-kidnap-and-torture

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/aug/26/mi5-files-coup-british-guiana

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2002/nov/10/uk.davidshayler

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/exclusive-mi5-stands-accused-of-complicity-in-torture-this-year-after-trying-to-recruit-man-from-egyptian-jail-9399746.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/g4s-faces-fury-over-human-rights-abuses-9497654.html

Oh dear, if that's your evidence, then your lack of historical context is as you've accused me, but only more disingenuous, to remind you, we are talking about Southern Africa here and Zimbabwe in particular.
 
Spurfect11 - 16/6/2015 09:32

and "voting him in again and again"?

the voting system there laughs in the face of North Korea

"If you don't vote for me you will die" type of voting hey. Happens in loads of countries.
 
First of all - voting. It was joyful to watch South Africans walking miles to vote for the first time back in the day but let's face it voting habits in Africa and Asia kept Blatter in work and may well do so again. Most elections (if they happen at all) are totally rigged.

Secondly, it is all about Oil (or lack thereof)

Lastly history shows over and over again (but humans dont learn from history do they?) that if you remove a tyrant/despot you create full-blown anarchy. This is not a reason not to remove them but ffs THINK about what you leave behind

Gadafi gone? = utter chaos in Libya and a big part of the immigrant crisis
Saddam gone? = well where do I start? sectarian killings, IS, increased terrorism etc etc
Tito died? in a few years the Balkans were one massive killing field

pick your own dictator and look what happened next.........

We are now in the worst, most volatile situation worldwide (lets not forget the migrant crisis in the Far East/Oz) that I can ever remember, probably the Cuban Missile crisis. Seems like all the people in the 3rd World are fleeing to the 1st world to get away from Boku Haran and the rest

God knows where it'll all end up but I wish the bastard would do something about it!
 
It does not matter what "evidence" you wave in EX's face he loves a bit of plausible deniability. Not part of the solution and certainly part of the problem I now firmly believe. "It's not southern Africa don't you know, were pure as the driven snow down there despite how we behave everywhere else." Risible dishonest stuff

Zimbabwe's dictator Robert Mugabe unleashed a storm of brutal, genocidal violence after losing the 2008 elections -- and now we know that it was funded by western hedge-funds and banks, led by Och-Ziff Capital Management, the largest publicly traded fund, with assistance from Blackrock, GLG Partners, and Credit Suisse, who raised $100M for Mugabe's weapons and torture-chambers in exchange for a sweetheart deal on the country's platinum mines.


Daniel Och's Och-Ziff manages $45.7B, including funds from the California Public Employees' Retirement System. Och's protege, Michael Cohen, led the charge to fund Mugabe's pogrom; while an Israeli diamond trader called Dan Gertler helped broker a joint deal with OCH to invest in mining in the Democratic Republic of Congo, another nation whose state is complicit in horrific terror-campaigns that include child soldiery and rape camps.

Och-Ziff is under investigation for its deals in Zimbabwe and DRC, including allegations that it deliberately and illegally disguised its involvmeent. Cohen left Och-Ziff in 2013, shortly after buying a $22M country estate outside London: "Ewhurst Park, the more than 900-acre spread includes a sprawling main house, cottages, a church, a large lake with ducks, a boathouse, bridges, wooded areas, fountains, and formal gardens." Cohen wouldn't provide a comment to Businessweek on the deals.

Four days later, Camec announced it was using the money it raised to purchase a joint venture with the Zimbabwe Mining Development Corp., or ZMDC, Mugabe’s state-owned mining company. The joint venture owned the platinum stakes on the Great Dyke that had been taken back just a few weeks earlier from Anglo American. The price included $5 million in cash; Camec issued shares to partners whose identities were shielded by a shell company based in the British Virgin Islands; and $100 million to Mugabe’s government. Camec said the $100 million was a cash loan “to comply with its contractual obligations to the government of Zimbabwe” for the platinum claims. It said the money would be repaid out of ZMDC’s share of future platinum earnings. Camec’s balance sheets for the period make clear that funding for the platinum rights came from the private transactions involving Och-Ziff.

On the day Camec announced the deal with Mugabe’s government, two of McGee’s embassy employees were in the countryside gathering intelligence on Mugabe’s efforts to ensure his win. A lieutenant colonel in the president’s army told embassy staffers that soldiers, militia members, and ruling party backers loyal to Mugabe were training to conduct what he called a “reorientation campaign,” according to McGee and embassy cables. The lieutenant colonel also said 400 vehicles were being deployed to facilitate the operation.

Violence intensified throughout May. Soldiers drove opposition supporters out of their rural villages or urban neighborhoods. According to the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, more than 33,000 people were driven from their homes by month’s end. Hundreds turned up at the gates of the American Embassy. “These people were literally running for their lives,” McGee says.

The Hedge Fund and the Despot [Cam Simpson and Jesse Westbrook/Businessweek]

I expect to see Bussinessweek dismissed as a Trotskyite cabal now LOL. I'll leave the few independent souls among you without a vested interest to make up your own minds about who is closer to telling you the truth here. Me or EX? My conscience is clear.
 
Nearly every act of violence involves weapons which always come from ........

Of course 'civilised' countries who help whichever nation's export figures look good. Twas ever thus