Fox News broadcast "expert" who says Birmingham is "totally Muslim"

Freeman14 - 12/1/2015 11:40


Oh cool, I thought the CDX might have been for Colorado! So their news is like the Daily Mail then?
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No sir I am Irish moved here after college got sick of the lack of work opportunities... Lived in Birmingham for 7 months for a work placement in college too during the Houllier/McLeish year of 2011...

Yeah their news is dreadful and the NY City news is even worse... They treat it like entertainment its all about ratings and viewings not about making people aware...

My housemate god love the girl I think she is pretty intelligent but there is slice of gullibility which seems to be in most Americans... I watched the NYC news with her one night and a poll popped up saying 70% of American think they are under more threat of a terrorist attack now than around 9/11 and the aftermath... I asked her if she felt the same way and she said yes... I asked why? She said there is always something about terror or war etc.
I told her thats why I dont watch American news they create stories or present them in such a way to create hysteria... Difficult to watch any news really RTE in Ireland getting funding from the Government I remember they never covered Occupy Wall Street... Russian Today has a lot of propaganda but they do run some very good stories...

Great place to live they just have a lot of backwards stuff going on... They still use Cheques, I have to sign my name to pay with my Credit Card instead of a pin code, the classic imperial system and then of course the dates!
 
Barney2004 - 12/1/2015 12:41

how do you actually stop extremists that don't care if they die?

one step ahead of them? But there's loads that are capable and wanting to do this!
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In short, I don't think you can, but you just have to show that what they do won't change us. The march in Paris yesterday was a good way of doing this. Apart from killing every single one of us, there is nothing they can do to force everyone to be Muslim. We will always have free will.

Sorry about the confusion on the other bits, Lee. Deano is correct in that I was singling out Pride's post. I think Freeman was highlighting the racism and discrimination in the US, particularly the South. Whilst maybe a little ill advised, it is certainly not as extreme as the response to it.

And finally, Fear is right, once again. It's extremists of all belief structures that are the problem. The Creationist trying to force Intelligent Design on our children are just as bad as those killing others in the name of their religion. We need to ensure neither win.
 
Yup, don't think you can stop them, you have to try to prevent people being attracted to the extremes. Easier said than done when you have the likes of Blair and Bush who bombed their countries illegally.
 
CDX_EIRE - 12/1/2015 12:57

No sir I am Irish moved here after college got sick of the lack of work opportunities... Lived in Birmingham for 7 months for a work placement in college too during the Houllier/McLeish year of 2011...

Yeah their news is dreadful and the NY City news is even worse... They treat it like entertainment its all about ratings and viewings not about making people aware...

My housemate god love the girl I think she is pretty intelligent but there is slice of gullibility which seems to be in most Americans... I watched the NYC news with her one night and a poll popped up saying 70% of American think they are under more threat of a terrorist attack now than around 9/11 and the aftermath... I asked her if she felt the same way and she said yes... I asked why? She said there is always something about terror or war etc.
I told her thats why I dont watch American news they create stories or present them in such a way to create hysteria... Difficult to watch any news really RTE in Ireland getting funding from the Government I remember they never covered Occupy Wall Street... Russian Today has a lot of propaganda but they do run some very good stories...

Great place to live they just have a lot of backwards stuff going on... They still use Cheques, I have to sign my name to pay with my Credit Card instead of a pin code, the classic imperial system and then of course the dates!
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Oh cool. So are opportunities better there then?

That's bad that their media is so dire, I know Fox is the most notorious, but I thought they were more of a one off.
 
The Fear - 12/1/2015 13:07

Yup, don't think you can stop them, you have to try to prevent people being attracted to the extremes. Easier said than done when you have the likes of Blair and Bush who bombed their countries illegally.
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yep - I totally blame those pair. (again that's just an opinion)

I also think taking out sadam was a mistake too.

Used to speak to a muslim guy called Abdul who ran the local paper shop. He said not that sadam has been killed things will only get worse as he kept 'them' in line. Not sure how much truth there is behind that but its certainly got worse I think.
 
The fox news guy wasn't too wide of the mark. A lot of areas in Birmingham and many other cities are now muslim areas. As far as "extremism" goes I can't possibly put it better than this:

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I dont watch with any real frequency, I think CNN is the same just from the other point of view... Fox is far right and CNN is far left...

Yeah I got a visa about a year after college and being Irish makes things easier... I got my job because I was trying to network found an Irish guy on LinkedIn and he helped setup an interview which I nailed... I did Construction Management in college and its a joke so many jobs available in the industry... What I do now is Cost Management which is very much like Quantity Surveying but with a little project management/project controls type work... The industry is booming in NYC and what Im doing is seen as a niche kind of job not many good people around...

What they say is true the opportunities are there...
 
CDX_EIRE - 12/1/2015 13:21

I dont watch with any real frequency, I think CNN is the same just from the other point of view... Fox is far right and CNN is far left...

Yeah I got a visa about a year after college and being Irish makes things easier... I got my job because I was trying to network found an Irish guy on LinkedIn and he helped setup an interview which I nailed... I did Construction Management in college and its a joke so many jobs available in the industry... What I do now is Cost Management which is very much like Quantity Surveying but with a little project management/project controls type work... The industry is booming in NYC and what Im doing is seen as a niche kind of job not many good people around...

What they say is true the opportunities are there...
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good stuff
 
Bikini Inspector - 12/1/2015 13:16

The fox news guy wasn't too wide of the mark. A lot of areas in Birmingham and many other cities are now muslim areas. As far as "extremism" goes I can't possibly put it better than this:

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Islam is a Religion of peace as much as Christianity is. You take from each what you want. The extremists just manipulate the Koran to justify their agenda, as do the extreme Christians.
 
Islam is a tricky subject plenty of normal folk out there but some of the 'normal' folk keep to the old bullshit too...

http://uk.businessinsider.com/ahmed-merabet-the-muslim-police-officer-killed-in-charlie-hebdo-shooting-2015-1?r=US

The police officer executed by gunmen in a street outside the office of Charlie Hebdo in Paris was a Muslim.

His name was Ahmed Merabet.

The story of Merabet's confrontation with the Paris terrorists is turning out to be one of the most poignant in the whole affair.

And it's proof, if further proof were needed, that Muslims are much more frequently the victims of Islamic terrorism than Westerners are. According to the Global Terrorism Index, 80% of all the deaths from terrorism in 2013 were in Muslim-majority countries Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Nigeria, and Syria.
 
The Fear - 12/1/2015 13:07

Yup, don't think you can stop them, you have to try to prevent people being attracted to the extremes. Easier said than done when you have the likes of Blair and Bush who bombed their countries illegally.
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9/11 happened before the Iraq war. So did the original twin towers bombing and Yemen hotel bombings and the bombings of US embassies in Kenya and the attacks on US warships. I'm not sure how you justify thousands of "Brits" joining ISIS either. Maybe it's all our fault.

The problem lies with Islam and the life of the Prophet Muhammed who all Muslims are obliged to follow as the perfect moral example. This is a man who had several poets killed for writing derogatory poems about him. He was a violent man make no mistake about it. He was also and this is a fact, a paedophile. This is admitted by all Muslim scholars and it is unavoidable.

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88; Narrated Ursa: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).Volume 8, Book 82, Number 795; Narrated Anas: The Prophet cut off the hands and feet of the men belonging to the tribe of Uraina and did not cauterise (their bleeding limbs) till they died."


The measuring stick for Islam is not the western world or Muslims living in the west it is the Islamic world. We all know how nice and liberal Sharia law is don't we? A blogger has been sentenced to death in Iran for insulting Muhammed on facebook. You could argue that the events in Paris are utterly Islamic in nature and the same goes for ISIS. Granted only nutters will carry out violence like we saw in Paris but an awful lot of Muslims will sympathise with it. The violence is wrong but......

There are plenty of resources out there when it comes to Islam. I have been reading the hadiths for free on line. Anyone who claims it is a religion of peace knows nothing about it. Compare it to Buddhism for example and the difference is blatant.

British muslims can only be prevented from becoming radicalised by accepting western Liberal values, the problem is many of those values are contrary to the teachings of Islam.



 
HeathfieldRoad1874 - 12/1/2015 13:29

Bikini Inspector - 12/1/2015 13:16

The fox news guy wasn't too wide of the mark. A lot of areas in Birmingham and many other cities are now muslim areas. As far as "extremism" goes I can't possibly put it better than this:

[youtube=LfKLV6rmLxE]
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Islam is a Religion of peace as much as Christianity is. You take from each what you want. The extremists just manipulate the Koran to justify their agenda, as do the extreme Christians.
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I know. Where did I defend Christianity and what has Christianity got to do with it? The reason these two religions are the largest is because they are and have been the most violent. You actually just prove my point for me. Extremism would not be a problem if the religion itself was peaceful. So extremism is not the problem here.

But there is also an argument that you can compare the life and example of Jesus to the Life of Muhammed. I will leave you to do that for yourself and see what you find.
 
The twitter responses to this guys claim are brilliant!

http://www.greatbarrobserver.co.uk/pictures/FoxNewsFact-Twitter-responded-Muslim-Birmingham/pictures-25841654-detail/pictures.html#1
 
How do they respond to this? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1023483/You-preach-Bible-Muslim-area-What-police-told-Christian-preachers.html

They probably don't, they probably think Muslim bigotry is okay on twitter.
 
Bikini Inspector - 12/1/2015 13:45

HeathfieldRoad1874 - 12/1/2015 13:29

Bikini Inspector - 12/1/2015 13:16

The fox news guy wasn't too wide of the mark. A lot of areas in Birmingham and many other cities are now muslim areas. As far as "extremism" goes I can't possibly put it better than this:

[youtube=LfKLV6rmLxE]
Click to expand...

Islam is a Religion of peace as much as Christianity is. You take from each what you want. The extremists just manipulate the Koran to justify their agenda, as do the extreme Christians.
Click to expand...

I know. Where did I defend Christianity and what has Christianity got to do with it? The reason these two religions are the largest is because they are and have been the most violent. You actually just prove my point for me. Extremism would not be a problem if the religion itself was peaceful. So extremism is not the problem here.

But there is also an argument that you can compare the life and example of Jesus to the Life of Muhammed. I will leave you to do that for yourself and see what you find.
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Your initial post unfairly mentions just Islam, so I though it necessary to balance things out. There are those here that will jump on it as an excuse to hate Muslims. I can't see how my avoiding this could offend anyone, but if it does I apologise.

As for your second point, I think you need to address your definition of extremism. They twist and turn anything to suit their agenda. It does not matter that the original texts and structure were peaceful, they will manipulate them. Even Hinduism, Sikhism and Buddhism have had their violent followers. If they did not follow the religion they do, they would be fanatical about something else.

And yes, I have studied both religions, along with the lives of the main protagonists. There are many parallels, and many fallacies for each. Much research now confirms that both stories are more fiction than fact, and both claim persecution from day 1, which helps justify the violence they now use. Neither is right.
 
Bikini Inspector - 12/1/2015 13:52

How do they respond to this? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1023483/You-preach-Bible-Muslim-area-What-police-told-Christian-preachers.html

They probably don't, they probably think Muslim bigotry is okay on twitter.
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This is from 2008. Why bring this up now, out of interest?

Much work has been done since then, and many Muslim's have been arrested and convicted of stopping free speech in recent years. This was a Community Police Officer trying to defuse an aggressive situation. He thought he was doing the right thing to prevent further escalation, which he did. He has also been given additional training since then.

These sort of stories really don't help. It isolates the Muslim communities further, widening the divide. Integration is the only solution.
 
I have the answer.
Everyone declares themselves a Muslim.(but keep your fingers crossed behind your back).
All the terrorists and extremists will go home and watch Eastenders then.
Job`s a good `un

Anyone else need to know anything ? :17:
 
My idea based on the video below would be to show the sensible wars and headlines generated by terrorism then use the 'tiny blue dot' video to close it out...

I do wonder if full withdrawal of all American forces from the middle east would result in anything positive...

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I get the feeling a good few of the American public would love them to retreat from their foreign policy.

I would imagine a good few of us in the UK would like us to stop trying to be the worlds police whilst slashing our military as well?
 
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