Forest vs United Match Thread - Sponsored by Amorim's grand turnaround

[chandos9]

I didn't say that.

Conceding 2 goals a game is what has put us second bottom

You seem to think that this is because of Murillo and Aina being out, when we were conceding 2 goals a game nearly with them

Others are complaining about our attacking, I am pointing out that going without super pace for the first time in four years takes some adapting to

(1) when you first raised the issue of Forest being in relegation danger, it was immediately after, and because, Forest had sold Elanga.

I said that:

(2) part of the problem was being without our first- choice defenders for so long,

but highlighted that

(3) the real problem was the reversal of conceded goals from set- pieces- a point that you then made yourself, without further acknowlegement or recognition. Anyone who thinks about football and coaching might think that the omission, and then the return, of Murillo to the lineup and the fact that losing Aina also meant that Williams has swopped wings at times might mean that (3) is related to (2). The change in defenders and defensive formations means that the players are less sure of who is supposed to be doing what on a set- piece.

But don't worry
(4) I am sure you would rather Forest were relegated if it made you think you could demonstrate on this anonymous forum that you had been proven right.

 

[Pope John XXIII]

(1) when you first raised the issue of Forest being in relegation danger, it was immediately after, and because, Forest had sold Elanga.

Actually, it was at the point we had sold Elanga and Spurs had activated MGW's release clause.

I never argued that Elanga alone would put us in relegation danger- always that it was the loss of TWO key attackers.

I said that:

(2) part of the problem was being without our first- choice defenders for so long,

but highlighted that

(3) the real problem was the reversal of conceded goals from set- pieces- a point that you then made yourself, without further acknowlegement or recognition.

I did acknowledge, and if you have a look further I actually looked into all the goals we have conceded in the league from set pieces.

While it is a lot, I concluded that it actually accounts for only about 4 points- 5 at most if you assume we draw with West Ham if Bowen didn't score their opener.

Most of the others, and the penalties, only made defeats worse.

It's only really the Chelsea and Man Utd games where set pieces cost us directly points 2 against Chelsea, 2 against Man Utd.

When you look at goals conceded- yes, a lot are set pieces, and we would have been "in" a lot more games a lot longer without conceding them. But we are losing goals all over the place.

One of our biggest problems is defending shots from outside the box. We have conceded loads of those.

Watch CHO shirk on Saturday and protect himself rather than throw his body on the line to stop Amad's shot.

Anyone who thinks about football and coaching might think that the omission, and then the return, of Murillo to the lineup

Yes, but it's 1.8 goals conceded with him in the side

and the fact that losing Aina

1.67 conceded per game with him in the side

also meant that Williams has swopped wings at times might mean that (3) is related to (2). The change in defenders and defensive formations means that the players are less sure of who is supposed to be doing what on a set- piece.

That's possible, but it's very much a maybe.

Our problem with set pieces is all over the squad.

Yates lost his man (Casimiro) on Saturday (or so it looked in the replays). We have seen Murillo beaten. We have seen Sels pushed and flap. And we have conceded several in the second or third phase of set pieces.

Simply swapping one fullback to the other side is not responsible for that. Remember that we were without Aina for a while last season too.

But don't worry
(4) I am sure you would rather Forest were relegated if it made you think you could demonstrate on this anonymous forum that you had been proven right.

I think that is a grossly unfair characterisation. When do I ever show that I care about being right or wrong? I brought this one up to you particularly because of the lengths you were going to in needling me all summer.

But I have sat in the same seat for 20 years now. I actually go to games, in the cold and the rain. I stand to lose more than most on here if we are relegated because I am actually there, experiencing the atmosphere and turning up week after week.

It is ludicruously narcissistic of you to imagine for one second that I would willingly swap Man City for Bristol City again just to be able to say "I was right" to you on a forum. I think you have too high an opinion of your own importance

 

[in_the_top_one]

I still think Elanga's pace nullified some of the attacking threat of other teams because their full backs could not push on and join the opposition attack so much for fear of a breakaway goal (that we were so good at).
Maybe Ndoye can bring the same threat. He did some silly things in the last game but also did some very good things. The mistakes are eye catching but he contributed to both goals alongside other attacking actions that didn't result in goals. Overall, quite positive IMO.

 

[chandos9]

It's only really the Chelsea and Man Utd games where set pieces cost us directly points 2 against Chelsea, 2 against Man Utd.

And Sunderland - the only goal.

And the first (and effectively decisive) goal against Arsenal.

There may be others too. But I hope you don't think that coming back with facts that undermine your patronising attempts at correction is not too narcissistic.

 

[Pope John XXIII]

And Sunderland - the only goal.

Correct, missed that.

So another 2 points

That puts us on 12 without the set pieces, so 14th behind Newcastle and 4 points above the relegation zone instead of 4 points from safety.

I'd certainly take that, but it's not transformative

And the first (and effectively decisive) goal against Arsenal.

Yeah, but we conceded 2 more after that. We can't really make that kind of argument.

Same with Bournemouth. That first goal is always potentially decisive, but I can't really argue we would have held on for a point.

The only one where I personally would make the argument is West Ham, as with 10 to go I think it's a draw at worst if Bowen had not scored. But I wouldn't count even that.

There may be others too. But I hope you don't think that coming back with facts that undermine your patronising attempts at correction is not too narcissistic.

You haven't come back with facts. You have come back with one fact and some speculation. I am happy to debate with facts and I'm happy to argue opinions.

But when you try and claim that I want to watch Championship football again just so I can make one single comment on here that no one gives a shit about- that's just bullshit

 

[chandos9]

I think that is a grossly unfair characterisation. When do I ever show that I care about being right or wrong? I brought this one up to you particularly because of the lengths you were going to in needling me all summer.

Oh is that when you were so self- important that you were saying I was some sort of stalker and you were worried about your family?????? And you sought to prove your point by some way going through around 20 of your posts and trying to work out which ones I had replied to- obviously, that is not a stalker- ish thing to do!

I'll tell you what I did when I saw that- I wordsearched the time you had used "stalker" in your posts, and found that you have made that accusation against several people on various different occasions, merely for their taking issue with your posting rubbish on this forum.

This is your latest example- you post something wrong, the facts about it being wrong are pointed out to you, and then you try to justify what you said.

 

[radfordinlondon]

Actually, it was at the point we had sold Elanga and Spurs had activated MGW's release clause.

I never argued that Elanga alone would put us in relegation danger- always that it was the loss of TWO key attackers.


I did acknowledge, and if you have a look further I actually looked into all the goals we have conceded in the league from set pieces.

While it is a lot, I concluded that it actually accounts for only about 4 points- 5 at most if you assume we draw with West Ham if Bowen didn't score their opener.

Most of the others, and the penalties, only made defeats worse.

It's only really the Chelsea and Man Utd games where set pieces cost us directly points 2 against Chelsea, 2 against Man Utd.

When you look at goals conceded- yes, a lot are set pieces, and we would have been "in" a lot more games a lot longer without conceding them. But we are losing goals all over the place.

One of our biggest problems is defending shots from outside the box. We have conceded loads of those.

Watch CHO shirk on Saturday and protect himself rather than throw his body on the line to stop Amad's shot.


Yes, but it's 1.8 goals conceded with him in the side



1.67 conceded per game with him in the side


That's possible, but it's very much a maybe.

Our problem with set pieces is all over the squad.

Yates lost his man (Casimiro) on Saturday (or so it looked in the replays). We have seen Murillo beaten. We have seen Sels pushed and flap. And we have conceded several in the second or third phase of set pieces.

Simply swapping one fullback to the other side is not responsible for that. Remember that we were without Aina for a while last season too.


I think that is a grossly unfair characterisation. When do I ever show that I care about being right or wrong? I brought this one up to you particularly because of the lengths you were going to in needling me all summer.

But I have sat in the same seat for 20 years now. I actually go to games, in the cold and the rain. I stand to lose more than most on here if we are relegated because I am actually there, experiencing the atmosphere and turning up week after week.

It is ludicruously narcissistic of you to imagine for one second that I would willingly swap Man City for Bristol City again just to be able to say "I was right" to you on a forum. I think you have too high an opinion of your own importance

WTF wot happened to the entente cordial that had been established between you two?

Telling an entire forum that you stand to lose "more than most" before moaning about narcissism does come across as a bit rich. For the record, you won't lose anything more or less than any other committed forest fan.

 

[radfordinlondon]

Oh is that when you were so self- important that you were saying I was some sort of stalker and you were worried about your family?????? And you sought to prove your point by some way going through around 20 of your posts and trying to work out which ones I had replied to- obviously, that is not a stalker- ish thing to do!

I'll tell you what I did when I saw that- I wordsearched the time you had used "stalker" in your posts, and found that you have made that accusation against several people on various different occasions, merely for their taking issue with your posting rubbish on this forum.

This is your latest example- you post something wrong, the facts about it being wrong are pointed out to you, and then you try to justify what you said.

Which one of you is responsible for trashing the brief but gorgeous cordial relationship you two hatched.

I want answers man!

HIM or YOU

 

[chandos9]

WTF wot happened to the entente cordial that had been established between you two?

Telling an entire forum that you stand to lose "more than most" before moaning about narcissism does come across as a bit rich. For the record, you won't lose anything more or less than any other committed forest fan.

Scorpion and The Frog........

 

[Pope John XXIII]

WTF wot happened to the entente cordial that had been established between you two?

Telling an entire forum that you stand to lose "more than most" before moaning about narcissism does come across as a bit rich. For the record, you won't lose anything more or less than any other committed forest fan.

Yes, I will.

There is a world between being sat on your sofa with a cup of tea and your laptop, and sitting in the freezing fucking stands as Millwall take the lead from a set piece, having given up your entire afternoon or evening getting there and getting away again.

A world away.

If the sofa is all you can do due to circumstances or distance then I give no disrespect to that. There is no hierarchy of fans and I am no better a fan than anyone else.

But I'm not having someone tell me that I want to go back to Tuesday nights against Preston so I can win an arguement with some nomark on the internet.

And what about the people who travel to games from miles away, like the guys on that train back to London on Saturday?

Don't try telling me they don't have more to lose in relegation than some bloke with his laptop

 

[radfordinlondon]

Yes, I will.

There is a world between being sat on your sofa with a cup of tea and your laptop, and sitting in the freezing fucking stands as Millwall take the lead from a set piece, having given up your entire afternoon or evening getting there and getting away again.

A world away.

If the sofa is all you can do due to circumstances or distance then I give no disrespect to that. There is no hierarchy of fans and I am no better a fan than anyone else.

But I'm not having someone tell me that I want to go back to Tuesday nights against Preston so I can win an arguement with some nomark on the internet.

And what about the people who travel to games from miles away, like the guys on that train back to London on Saturday?

Don't try telling me they don't have more to lose in relegation than some bloke with his laptop

So we can add entitled to narcissistic. Thought better of you.

 

[BlackGold]

So we can add entitled to narcissistic. Thought better of you.

I travel 1,000.995 miles (roundtrip, don't think im being all Johnny Big Potatos here, duck) every fortnight to fanaticise about my beloved Notts Forest.

Think that makes me the bestest Forest fan out of all ChristenAllahdom

 

[Pope John XXIII]

So we can add entitled to narcissistic. Thought better of you.

I wouldn't think of me at all; I certainly won't be thinking anything of your personal criticisms.

You can think me entitled, narcissistic or just a c*** all you want- I literally don't care

 

[Strett]

My journey is 50 miles round trip.
What will I stand to lose? More or less than most?

I'm confused.

 

[weejockmcplop]

My journey is 50 miles round trip.
What will I stand to lose? More or less than most?

I'm confused.

ooh a 50 mile round trip every time?
I think that will add to your supporter points.
You might even be approaching Pope, who is right at the top of the supporter league table obviously.

 

[Strett]

ooh a 50 mile round trip every time?
I think that will add to your supporter points.
You might even be approaching Pope, who is right at the top of the supporter league table obviously.

He sits near me, I wave to him all the time but he never even acknowledges that I'm there.

 

[Basha73]

He sits near me, I wave to him all the time but he never even acknowledges that I'm there.

You just aren’t worthy chap.

 

[Strett]

You just aren’t worthy chap.

I am starting to get that vibe.

 

[BlackGold]

Who buys the most merch: surely thats the tie-breaker?

Me, you ask, i have all the shirts, hats, clackers and whistles.

Scarves? I have 'em all...especially the half-and-halves; lovely stuff given they celebrate the nobility of good natured competion and sporting excellence.

I have a few Notts Forest tea towes, mugs, pins and badges. Not to mention, my commerative tea set celebrating our 1979 European Champs win vs Copenhagen.

Finally, i have the 2025 Notts F Men's calendar: Mr July...phwooah, i'll never look at Yatesy the same way!

 

[toms]

Out of the point tally last year we aren’t that for off from these specific games. Brentford and west ham cancel each other out. I think we are probably about 6 points behind if you compare but with a worse goal difference .