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Polly 433 said:
This may come back to bite us. UEFA is going to have to make a clear ruling on multi ownership before an F1 situation arises. The only way true competition can be maintained is not to allow multi ownership, much like PL. this will mean EM having to sell Forest as I can’t see him selling Olympiacos. Could take a few years. Everyone knows a blind trust in practice makes no difference.
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Unfortunately, I have to agree with you on this. Unless UEFA completely u turns and allows multi ownerships.
 
Polly 433 said:
This may come back to bite us. UEFA is going to have to make a clear ruling on multi ownership before an F1 situation arises. The only way true competition can be maintained is not to allow multi ownership, much like PL. this will mean EM having to sell Forest as I can’t see him selling Olympiacos. Could take a few years. Everyone knows a blind trust in practice makes no difference.
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I dont see how you can stop multi ownership - that ship has sailed.
You cannot change the rules and force owners to sell clubs at a loss. That would cause mayhem and EUFA would be in court for years and go bust!
The rules are clear - if you break them then you get punished.
If EUFA let Palace off - it sets a dangerous precedent that the likes of Citeh, Chelsea and even ourselves and many others will be able to follow
 
If Forest played Olympiacos, in the CL would one realistically deliberately throw the game. Can’t see any players going along with that or management. The advantages gained by the owner is negligible. Yes winning for Olympiacos might mean more for EM and family but not enough to interfere. Financially it would mean more for Olympiacos but other ways of supporting financially.

Maybe multi ownerships will not lead to fixing. The only time I could see an advantage is in the league element of CL. If one of the teams is definitely in next round and the other fighting for points. Doesn’t have to happen, just in the mind of supporters and it will cause problems.
 
Geedo61 said:
I dont see how you can stop multi ownership - that ship has sailed.
You cannot change the rules and force owners to sell clubs at a loss. That would cause mayhem and EUFA would be in court for years and go bust!
The rules are clear - if you break them then you get punished.
If EUFA let Palace off - it sets a dangerous precedent that the likes of Citeh, Chelsea and even ourselves and many others will be able to follow
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Tend to agree. As blind trust continues but realistically makes no difference, why not allow multi ownership and therefore the Palace scenario is OK. Bit late for this year as rules are rules but for clarity. Perhaps this is what is behind the letter that Forest sent to UEFA. No back sliding.
 
Polly 433 said:
If Forest played Olympiacos, in the CL would one realistically deliberately throw the game. Can’t see any players going along with that or management. The advantages gained by the owner is negligible. Yes winning for Olympiacos might mean more for EM and family but not enough to interfere. Financially it would mean more for Olympiacos but other ways of supporting financially.

Maybe multi ownerships will not lead to fixing. The only time I could see an advantage is in the league element of CL. If one of the teams is definitely in next round and the other fighting for points. Doesn’t have to happen, just in the mind of supporters and it will cause problems.
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Let's be honest moving players in and out between clubs with same owners gives advantages on its own
 
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Polly 433 said:
This may come back to bite us. UEFA is going to have to make a clear ruling on multi ownership before an F1 situation arises. The only way true competition can be maintained is not to allow multi ownership, much like PL. this will mean EM having to sell Forest as I can’t see him selling Olympiacos. Could take a few years. Everyone knows a blind trust in practice makes no difference.
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It’s a thought but the rich owners that would be affected will find a way
 
BBC:

"Nottingham Forest have asked Uefa for clarity after expressing their concerns over Crystal Palace's Europa League place.

The Eagles won the FA Cup to qualify for Europe for the first time in their history, but Uefa must decide if they have breached its multi-club ownership rules.

Uefa's final ruling will centre on American businessman John Textor, owner of Eagle Football - which holds a 43% stake in Palace.

Eagle Football also owns a 77% stake in French side Lyon, who - like Palace - have qualified for next season's Europa League.

Uefa's rules state "no individual or legal entity" can hold a majority of shareholder voting rights at two clubs in the same European tournament.

Forest finished seventh in the Premier League, earning a Europa Conference League play-off spot, but stand to gain if Palace are unable to compete in Europe and could be lifted to the Europa League.

Sources have told BBC Sport they have issued their reservations to Uefa.

Uefa's regulations are in place to prevent collusion between clubs. Palace's argument is their historic FA Cup win - beating Manchester City 1-0 last month - and European qualification was an achievement accomplished entirely on their own merit.

The club have insisted they are an entity which operates entirely independently, not within the structures of a multi-club model.

Palace also say there has been no employee, backroom staff or coach sharing with Lyon, no dialogue, no collaborative strategy, no combined partnerships, sponsorships or commercial deals and no collective scouting, analysis or software collaborations.

Forest have avoided this issue after owner Evangelos Marinakis diluted his control of the club.

The Greek businessman also controls Olympiakos, as well as Portuguese side Rio Ave and, at the time, Forest and Olympiakos were both on course to qualify for next season's Champions League.

Forest complied with the rules after Uefa changed the date to 1 March for clubs to highlight potential issues in ownership structures as it was becoming unmanageable to go through the checks required from the previous deadline of 1 June.

The first and second qualification rounds of the Europa League and Conference League are in July.

At that point Palace had not acted despite qualification through the FA Cup being a possibility.

BBC Sport contacted Uefa and Palace who declined to comment."
 
PsychoTheLegend said:
Perhaps all is not as it seems.
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If this is true a few thoughts.

1) very clever in how it puts pressure on in terms of precedent as isn't EM saying if you ok this Im going to utilise that precedent going forwards thank you.

2) while there may be an underhand reason behind this it is not explicit and it is jumping to assumptions to assume it has anything to do with palace. I'd imagine there are multiple reasons EM doesn't want to have to go through this exercise every time we might qualify for European football, cost, time and hassle just for starters.

3) there is absolutely nothing there that mentions palace and once again there have been accusations and misspresentations in the media, the story wolf quotes from BBC directly states we have expressed our concerns about palaces euro league place but if that tweet is to be believed neither palace or euro have been mentioned. BBC also say uefa have been approached but not commented so how do they even know what our communication stated.
 
Thewolf/jimmygordon said:
BBC:

"Nottingham Forest have asked Uefa for clarity after expressing their concerns over Crystal Palace's Europa League place.

The Eagles won the FA Cup to qualify for Europe for the first time in their history, but Uefa must decide if they have breached its multi-club ownership rules.

Uefa's final ruling will centre on American businessman John Textor, owner of Eagle Football - which holds a 43% stake in Palace.

Eagle Football also owns a 77% stake in French side Lyon, who - like Palace - have qualified for next season's Europa League.

Uefa's rules state "no individual or legal entity" can hold a majority of shareholder voting rights at two clubs in the same European tournament.

Forest finished seventh in the Premier League, earning a Europa Conference League play-off spot, but stand to gain if Palace are unable to compete in Europe and could be lifted to the Europa League.

Sources have told BBC Sport they have issued their reservations to Uefa.

Uefa's regulations are in place to prevent collusion between clubs. Palace's argument is their historic FA Cup win - beating Manchester City 1-0 last month - and European qualification was an achievement accomplished entirely on their own merit.

The club have insisted they are an entity which operates entirely independently, not within the structures of a multi-club model.

Palace also say there has been no employee, backroom staff or coach sharing with Lyon, no dialogue, no collaborative strategy, no combined partnerships, sponsorships or commercial deals and no collective scouting, analysis or software collaborations.

Forest have avoided this issue after owner Evangelos Marinakis diluted his control of the club.

The Greek businessman also controls Olympiakos, as well as Portuguese side Rio Ave and, at the time, Forest and Olympiakos were both on course to qualify for next season's Champions League.

Forest complied with the rules after Uefa changed the date to 1 March for clubs to highlight potential issues in ownership structures as it was becoming unmanageable to go through the checks required from the previous deadline of 1 June.

The first and second qualification rounds of the Europa League and Conference League are in July.

At that point Palace had not acted despite qualification through the FA Cup being a possibility.

BBC Sport contacted Uefa and Palace who declined to comment."
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And this is where the issue lies. We have asked for clarity regarding the rules. That’s all. The media are trying to spin it in such a way as to cause a ruckus…
 
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