For what it's worth, Keir Starmer, ...

daleks.at.the.monaco said:
What are the reasons that the current Tory leader would not get your vote?

So all politicians are the same. Starmer is just like Badenoch who is just like Davies who is just like Farrauge who is just like Denyer/Ramsay and all these are just the same as Trump, Vance, Netanyahu and Erdoğan.

How many families do you have voting for Reform.
The desire to vote for change (Reform) is the same desire for change that gave us the leave vote (how is Brexit going?). Incidentally, the same desire for change that lead to Churchill losing to Labour after WWII.
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Nothing can be be as bad as these lot. We have now had over 100 years with these 2 running the country out dated. Time for a change.
 
Whelans broken leg said:
Nothing can be be as bad as these lot. We have now had over 100 years with these 2 running the country out dated. Time for a change.
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Some real food for thought here ... and I should obviously give the previous party a lot of credit for much of the time they were in power ... not necessarily all of their governments, but certainly some, even most.

Farage has his rhetoric, but that doesn't mean to say it's the truth.

 
Could I respectfully ask for assistance off one of you Labour supporters and explain how Labour MPs and councillors can escape punishment that would see the rest of us behind bars...firstly the MP punching a man in the head 5 or 6 times and walks away from court no problem...secondly the councillor who states on camera those who he doesn't agree with should have their throats cut...you guessed it, walks away scot fucking free.

Personally I would also jail those deluded bastards applauding the councillors words.

2 tier justice in all it's glory.
 
Reuben 27 said:
Could I respectfully ask for assistance off one of you Labour supporters and explain how Labour MPs and councillors can escape punishment that would see the rest of us behind bars...firstly the MP punching a man in the head 5 or 6 times and walks away from court no problem...secondly the councillor who states on camera those who he doesn't agree with should have their throats cut...you guessed it, walks away scot fucking free.

Personally I would also jail those deluded bastards applauding the councillors words.

2 tier justice in all it's glory.
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Yep, not a problem, I'm happy to take that on.

With regard to the councillor, that's a very simple one. He chose to go to court, argue his case, and be judged in a trial by a jury of his peers. Some (frankly thick) Tory & Reform MPs didn't seem to understand this when arguing about a "two tier system" given the conviction of the woman who tweeted hate stuff ... and then admitted her guilt without going to court.

As for the MP who was found guilty of assault, his sentence was suspended. Still guilty, still punished, but with the punishment suspended. I presume this is in line with sentencing guidelines, but I don't really know the details of such stuff.

I must admit, I'm surprised in both instances. For the MP, that assault doesn't automatically mean you're locked up is a little hard to justify ... though I suppose they look at previous record, remorse, etc.

For the councillor, I saw the video, and I'm amazed that he somehow was able to persuade a jury that he wasn't guilty ... but that's what the jury found.

People eh !
 
moonay said:
Yep, not a problem, I'm happy to take that on.

With regard to the councillor, that's a very simple one. He chose to go to court, argue his case, and be judged in a trial by a jury of his peers. Some (frankly thick) Tory & Reform MPs didn't seem to understand this when arguing about a "two tier system" given the conviction of the woman who tweeted hate stuff ... and then admitted her guilt without going to court.

As for the MP who was found guilty of assault, his sentence was suspended. Still guilty, still punished, but with the punishment suspended. I presume this is in line with sentencing guidelines, but I don't really know the details of such stuff.

I must admit, I'm surprised in both instances. For the MP, that assault doesn't automatically mean you're locked up is a little hard to justify ... though I suppose they look at previous record, remorse, etc.

For the councillor, I saw the video, and I'm amazed that he somehow was able to persuade a jury that he wasn't guilty ... but that's what the jury found.

People eh !
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First off, thanks for responding as I didn't think anyone would have the balls to....also kudos for turning any of this into an attack on the Tories/Reform but given the Labour Partys current polling I'm not surprised you're a little on the defensive.

Finally you're right, the whole stinks to high heaven and is a terrible look to most right thinking folk.
 
Reuben 27 said:
First off, thanks for responding as I didn't think anyone would have the balls to....also kudos for turning any of this into an attack on the Tories/Reform but given the Labour Partys current polling I'm not surprised you're a little on the defensive.

Finally you're right, the whole stinks to high heaven and is a terrible look to most right thinking folk.
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I don't think I said - or even implied - that it stinks to high heaven Reuben ... just that
a) I'm surprised at the sentencing guidelines re the MP and
b) there's no suggestion of two tier sentencing going on with the councillor ... and I don't know what he said in his defence during the trial to convince the jury.

For Farage, Philp, Jenrick and co to whinge like they have is really poor though.
 
moonay said:
I don't think I said - or even implied - that it stinks to high heaven Reuben ... just that
a) I'm surprised at the sentencing guidelines re the MP and
b) there's no suggestion of two tier sentencing going on with the councillor ... and I don't know what he said in his defence during the trial to convince the jury.

For Farage, Philp, Jenrick and co to whinge like they have is really poor though.
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Again thanks for replying and I'll take a rain check on the whole thing as I've a very unsettled 90 minutes ahead.
 
Whelans broken leg said:
Nothing can be be as bad as these lot. We have now had over 100 years with these 2 running the country out dated. Time for a change.
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Yet you want to vote for a party full to bursting with ex tories and racists ? Tell everyone how they are going to change anything, you claimed a few posts ago “Labour are out of their depth” why would think a party full of failures from the Tory party will be able to run a country, tell everyone one policy they have other claiming they will stop the boats, they play on fear and hatred against minorities and you support them.
 
Yet again PM, you're a pillock. Firstly for appointing Mandelson, and even more so now for expressing confidence in him.

Trump is toast ... so is Mandelson (very likely), and so (unfortunately) might you be too.
 
I had to read that five times. Wonders never cease.

Giving support to a second person in a week you know will have to resign is a misguided loyalty and poor political judgement.
 
Trouble is this Epstein thing is huge & I can guarantee that all these famous folk who are knee deep in cahoots with him don't want anyone or any secrets revealed as it may bring the whole thing crashing down outing all of them, from the likes of Trump to Clinton & on our shores Prince Andrew to Mandelson. As to Stanmer backing him, we all know how that goes given his backing of Rayner. He got his ass whipped on pmq's yesterday by Badenoch & didn't look comfortable trying to defend Mandelson.
 
Potted.

Why they send out ministers in a morning to defend the indefensible and then sack him a few hours later is beyond me.
 
Made in Wigan said:
Potted.

Why they send out ministers in a morning to defend the indefensible and then sack him a few hours later is beyond me.
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This is now the fourth time this dodgy character has been sacked.....4 f@ckin times yet sits on all the high profile jobs, just shows how piss poor our political system is...
The big question is....whose next 🤔
 
Christ you've got to laugh at all these Labour politicians being wheeled out to try & defend the indefensible....currently being quizzed on BBC News, Douglas Alexander is squirming under questions about the vetting process of Peter Mandelson, was there any concerns raised by the Secret Services, who knew of those concerns and who signed his appointment off.....zero reply to the actual questions just a loadvof bluster about what MI6 do & that how the process is a closed shop. When asked if the sacking would effect the relationship with Trump / USA.... no problem because the deputy ambassador is an excellent stand in.....
They can't half wheel them out to talk just utter shite & expect us to swallow it. They take us for fools....aka Starmer & co ALL backing Rayner & the same bunch backing Mandelson.....these clowns will back anyone be that Epstien or Saville if their jobs depend on it & only change tactics when it becomes totally untenable. I mean Starmer / Lammy et al totally back Trump....jeez what will they do if the rumours on Trumps involvement with Epstien ever see the light of day 🤔
 
jocklatic said:
Christ you've got to laugh at all these Labour politicians being wheeled out to try & defend the indefensible....currently being quizzed on BBC News, Douglas Alexander is squirming under questions about the vetting process of Peter Mandelson, was there any concerns raised by the Secret Services, who knew of those concerns and who signed his appointment off.....zero reply to the actual questions just a loadvof bluster about what MI6 do & that how the process is a closed shop. When asked if the sacking would effect the relationship with Trump / USA.... no problem because the deputy ambassador is an excellent stand in.....
They can't half wheel them out to talk just utter shite & expect us to swallow it. They take us for fools....aka Starmer & co ALL backing Rayner & the same bunch backing Mandelson.....these clowns will back anyone be that Epstien or Saville if their jobs depend on it & only change tactics when it becomes totally untenable. I mean Starmer / Lammy et al totally back Trump....jeez what will they do if the rumours on Trumps involvement with Epstien ever see the light of day 🤔
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I find it incredulous the security services didn’t know the full picture with Mandelson and Epstein - like with Prince Andrew, and would have disclosed this to Starmer. I believe he ignored the advice and appointed him anyway. The current attempts at obfuscation confirm it, as is his lack of appearances to answer questions since the sackings. His judgement is extremely flawed and needs to be held accountable.
 
Made in Wigan said:
I find it incredulous the security services didn’t know the full picture with Mandelson and Epstein - like with Prince Andrew, and would have disclosed this to Starmer. I believe he ignored the advice and appointed him anyway. The current attempts at obfuscation confirm it, as is his lack of appearances to answer questions since the sackings. His judgement is extremely flawed and needs to be held accountable.
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Prior to BBC news finishing this morning, they said there was now more questions that need to be put to the PM & that this won't go away....cue some 'other' news to take the Mandelson one out of the spotlight
 
Start by taking the lord title away.
Be more digging next week. Opposition won’t let this drop. And really don’t blame. Them. They loved it when they brought Boris down.
Watch your Back Kier. Your past may come back to haunt you.
 
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