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Juan Mourep

Juan Mourep

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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/04/06/eric-pickles-says-britain-is-a-christian-nation_n_5100794.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cuk%7Cdl1%7Csec3_lnk4%26pLid%3D255391

Eric Pickles Says Britain Is A 'Christian Nation' And Militant Atheists Should 'Get Over It'

Britain is a "Christian nation" and militant atheists should "get over it", according to Communities Secretary Eric Pickles.

The Conservative MP, who in the past has accused Labour of "diminishing Christianity" by suggesting there was no place for religion in politics, oversaw a change in the law in 2012 that ensured English Parish councils could not be subject to legal challenges for including prayers in public meetings.



Should someone who probably also believes in the easter bunny and santa clause be involved in decision making?

It's about time those in positions of "power" and I use that term loosely, passed a test of mental fitness, the belief in fairy stories and the acknowledgement that you are not actually in control and everything is "God's will" should bar you from government.


 
I've got news for you, Pickles, this is not a Christian Nation any more.

And another thing, how can any Christian be a Conservative? Surely socialism is closer to the Bible's teachings? Bunch of hypocrites.
 
Not sure I really care what this twerp thinks, I still remember him making an utter fool of himself on QT over the expenses scandal.

However, as he has a voice....

My opinion if I did would be ... It is a disgrace militant Christians bring prayers to work.

Works both ways doesn't it?

Prayer is for your own time, work hours are for work.

And that I don't believe is offensive or anti religion.
 
Idiot. Do these people live in the real world ?

He will probably be Health Secretary in the next reshuffle :10:
 
as soon as someone mentions religion or god i switch off. just a bunch and stories and fantasies from past generations. religion was made to control people. simple as that.
 
Britain is a Christain nation as the 2011 census clearly shows In the 2011 Census, Christianity was the largest religion, with 33.2 million people (59.3 per cent of the population). The second largest religious group were Muslims with 2.7 million people (4.8 per cent of the population).


http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/census/2011-census/key-statistics-for-local-authorities-in-england-and-wales/rpt-religion.html
 
Skeggy, I daresay that the 2.7 million Muslims are perhaps a little more active in the practice of their faith. I think, sociologically speaking, that the UK is in a post-Christian phase.
As regards prayers, how could anyone object to their being said at Parish Council meetings? (I'm assuming here that the "Parish" relates to the local ecclesiastical unit.)
 
But as 59.3% of the population of England and Wales declared themselves Christain in the 2011 census the country is therefore a Christain country. Eric Pickles never said "we're a Christain country but Muslims go to the mosque more!"
 
I don't understand how people can call themselves something when they don't do anything about it. Surely it should be about practising Christians, 6-10% from the stats I was given and posted a while back.

Prayer, for the believers, is for reflection and contemplation etc surely? And collectively for church. Not for meetings and places of work.

It is no surprise pickles being aggressive in his fat mouthed opinions. You'd never get me being so opinionated, :3:
 
SKEGGY - 6/4/2014 20:17

But as 59.3% of the population of England and Wales declared themselves Christain in the 2011 census the country is therefore a Christain country. Eric Pickles never said "we're a Christain country but Muslims go to the mosque more!"
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I would suggest that a large part of that 59.3% haven't got a clue what they are. When you actually try and pin people down very few would class themselves as a Christian.
 
But as 59.3% declared themselves Christain we are therefore by an over all majority a Christain country.
 
But the question is "religion" it doesn't say "do you attend evensong and every church services during Easter and Advent!"
 
In surveys 63% of people say they aren't religious, so how can they be Christian? The same surveys then show similar figures to yours saying they are Christian, when asked what religion they belong to. How is that possible? It's not.

People are just confused when faced with the question "what religion are you". It's the way the question is worded.

The vast majority of the UK population does not believe in any religion, and that's the important part.
 
The census isn't a survey though it's an official documentation of the people of the UK. Which highlights their beliefs and lifestyles.
 
Maybe many non religious still class themselves as Christians - that is they "believe" in Christ?
 
SKEGGY - 6/4/2014 20:57

The census isn't a survey though it's an official documentation of the people of the UK. Which highlights their beliefs and lifestyles.
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But it only asks the one question, one way. Other surveys have similar results to the same questions. The trick is to ask the right ones.

Or do you think someone who says they are not religious can be a Christian?
 
Green Tea - 6/4/2014 21:04

Maybe many non religious still class themselves as Christians - that is they "believe" in Christ?
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http://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/2921/Religious-and-Social-Attitudes-of-UK-Christians-in-2011.aspx

When asked why they think of themselves as Christian, the research found that fewer than three in ten (28%) say one of the reasons is that they believe in the teachings of Christianity. People are much more likely to consider themselves to be Christian because they were christened or baptised into the religion (72%) or because their parents were members of the religion (38%) than because of personal belief.
 
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