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McGrath4Pope

Vital Squad Member
#21
My God there are some joyless souls on this thread!

So it's Fireworks, Bonfires and even BBQs(!!!) that are are a problem! What about those noisy lawn mowers? Children playing out? Maybe we should ban outdoor music too just to be safe? I saw some children blowing bubbles in the park - those detergents can't be good for the environment but then again neither is your car so that should go as it's probably used more than you use fireworks / bonfires / bbqs. What next...erm...KITCHEN KNIVES!!! They are dangerous and can get into the hands of people too young or irresponsible to have them so we should ban them too (and forks - ouch! pointy!) People definitely shouldn't be allowed to smoke in their gardens either - the neighbour might have a window open or their pants on the line. Once laughing, talking and general socialising have also been outlawed you'll all be able to enjoy your lives in peace.
 

badge73

Vital 1st Team Regular
#22
not joyless, mostly wishing people would actually think before they put fumes or smoke in the air, even get to the stage of them realising where the smoke or fumes are going.

after all why should i pay rent and council tax and yet unable to open a window on a sunny day? bit of common sense goes a long way ....
 

James06

Vital Football Legend
#23
I dont think bonfires should be banned. I have fond memories of standing with my grandad and my dad beside the bonfire when they burned the garden waste. I dunno if it's a bloke thing but I get enjoyment from a bonfire.
But not in the daylight, in the middle of Summer, when people have their windows open, washing out etc...

I dont think Firworks should be banned either, I just think that they shouldnt be on sale to the public. Not only would it take the strain of the Fire and Health service, but if displays were strictly organised events only, it would be a great money spinner for local councils (for one). Each council could put on various displays throughout the borough, encouraging small businesses (burger vans, cake stalls, glow sticks etc etc...) and bringing the community together. Banning them would only be a good thing in that it stops them getting into the wrong hands, stops them being a disturbance and danger over a long period of time, and at inappropriate times.
Surely it is better to go and see a massive proper fireworks display anyway, than to let off a few shitty flares in your garden? It can only be beneficial to everyone by introducing a fireworks licence?

As for allt he other things you mention (tongue in cheek I'm sure) I have no problem with. Apart from talking - that should be outlawed????
 

McGrath4Pope

Vital Squad Member
#24
Could they not argue "why should I pay rent and council tax yet be unable to enjoy a BBQ in my own garden on a sunny day? Close the window for an hour or two, the smoke will be gone by then - bit of common sense goes a long way..."

Just playing devils advocate, but in my mind you're the one with the issue here - having a BBQ is not unreasonable neighbour behaviour.
 

McGrath4Pope

Vital Squad Member
#25
James06 - 2/7/2013 12:13

I dont think bonfires should be banned. I have fond memories of standing with my grandad and my dad beside the bonfire when they burned the garden waste. I dunno if it's a bloke thing but I get enjoyment from a bonfire.
But not in the daylight, in the middle of Summer, when people have their windows open, washing out etc...

I dont think Firworks should be banned either, I just think that they shouldnt be on sale to the public. Not only would it take the strain of the Fire and Health service, but if displays were strictly organised events only, it would be a great money spinner for local councils (for one). Each council could put on various displays throughout the borough, encouraging small businesses (burger vans, cake stalls, glow sticks etc etc...) and bringing the community together. Banning them would only be a good thing in that it stops them getting into the wrong hands, stops them being a disturbance and danger over a long period of time, and at inappropriate times.
Surely it is better to go and see a massive proper fireworks display anyway, than to let off a few shitty flares in your garden? It can only be beneficial to everyone by introducing a fireworks licence?

As for allt he other things you mention (tongue in cheek I'm sure) I have no problem with. Apart from talking - that should be outlawed????
Tongue was planted firmly in cheek (my own) with those - just trying to point out that we all have little things that annoy us or things we could make a case for being banned!

I totally agree with you on bonfires only being lit at night. Can't agree with you on the fireworks though - I honestly don't think you should ban something because of a minority of morons. Though, as I said on the first page, they should only be set off around bonfire night at a reasonable hour. I usually go to the Boot in Lapworth for their bonfire night anyway - always great!

Don't know if you saw my other comment James - are you near Hockley Heath? As we had some idiots setting fireworks off at a ridiculous hour the other night.
 

badge73

Vital 1st Team Regular
#26
people can do what they want as far as im concerned expect when it comes to disturbing others ...

after all, it only takes a couple of minutes to knock on a door or two and say we are having a bbq and there might be a little smoke etc (i would have no problem with that and daresay others would not either).
 

McGrath4Pope

Vital Squad Member
#27
Badge - fair comment, and probably what should happen. Especially if it's flats where people are living directly above the smoke rather than in neighbouring properties.
 

Clubpaver

Vital 1st Team Regular
#28
If you come under Birmingham Council,it is illegal to have a bonfire at any time.(Not sure about the 5th Nov)
A bloke bought the house next door to us and chucked everything inside onto a bonfire(the house was a mess and needed doing up).
One of the neighbours phoned the Fire Brigade.They squirted water all over it and the black smoke lasted for days due to the water.I think I`d have preferred it if they had left the fire alone and let it burn out naturally.
 

badge73

Vital 1st Team Regular
#29
McGrath4Pope - 2/7/2013 12:34

Badge - fair comment, and probably what should happen. Especially if it's flats where people are living directly above the smoke rather than in neighbouring properties.
very true and can remember when i was a young kid a bloke started a bonfire few doors down whilst my mother and few other neighbours had the washing out, he almost got lynched lol
 

McGrath4Pope

Vital Squad Member
#30
Clubpaver - Not sure if that's totally correct. Seems to depend on the frequency of the bonfires and whether it's commercial waste or not. I wonder if it was what your neighbour was burning that was the problem? People shouldn't be filling peoples gardens with acrid smoke though.

From: http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/cs/Satellite?c=Page&childpagename=Environmental-Health%2FPageLayout&cid=1223092715908&pagename=BCC%2FCommon%2FWrapper%2FInlineWrapper

Bonfires: Legislative Control
The Environmental Protection Act 1990 enables local authorities to deal formally with domestic bonfires using statutory nuisance provisions of the Act. However, the legislation is difficult to enforce because it can only be applied to frequent lighting of bonfires at premises. The lighting of a single bonfire cannot be controlled using this legislation.

Commercial bonfires are controlled by the Clean Air Act 1974. It is an offence to produce dark or black smoke from a bonfire at commercial premises.
There is no reason for any waste to be burnt outdoors on open fires in Birmingham because a comprehensive waste disposal service is provided City-wide.
 

Clubpaver

Vital 1st Team Regular
#31
He emptied the house McGrath,so you can imagine what was on it.Beds,furniture,papers,carpets,curtains,the lot.
The guy who was burning it told me that the fire brigade had given him a warning.I think he said it was £1000 fine if he did it again.
 

McGrath4Pope

Vital Squad Member
#32
Clubpaver - That's ridiculous! Probably some really toxic stuff in amongst that lot. It's pure laziness too - "can't be bothered with a trip to the tip". The neighbour was right to report it.
 

James06

Vital Football Legend
#33
Sorry M4P, I'm in Shirley so not too far away, but too far for it to be the same people.

Plus when I looked out the window they were going up in the direction of Hall Green, so unless the paddies are celebrating something (which I would've known about) then my money is on the arabs.

Also, Badger, I was actually all set on finidng out who had the bonfire, not to pour water or be aggresive but just to ask them to be a bit more considerate (it was literally lunchtime on a perfect summer weekend): but it was impossible to work out who's garden it was coming from.
 
#34
Funnily enough, my sister was telling me how she lit a fire in the garden the other day just to annoy the bloke who lives down the road.........it's not personal, but she once got into an argument on a radio phone in with Chris Moyles and now can't stand anything that reminds her of him. :5:


 

James06

Vital Football Legend
#35
Villan Of The North - 2/7/2013 16:51

Funnily enough, my sister was telling me how she lit a fire in the garden the other day just to annoy the bloke who lives down the road.........it's not personal, but she once got into an argument on a radio phone in with Chris Moyles and now can't stand anything that reminds her of him. :5:

Ha ha, very good lol :17:
 

kefkat

Vital Football Legend
#36
The Fear - 2/7/2013 11:14

Green Tea - 2/7/2013 11:07

Its about time we started to show some respect for the Earth.
:1:

Would be nice.

Sadly won't happen. Best thing for the planet will be when the human race is run!

That will be about a billion years according to a sky news report then
 
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Guest

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#38
I think we will be swamped by giant tsunami's when they discover Godzilla and he awakens from under the sea imo