The Fear - 12/5/2015 13:40
And self determination in life? How about a bit of self responsibility?
They get themselves into this state
Do they? From my experience the vast majority of the obese have been obese since childhood, so to me, the parents are those responsible.
Unfortunately recent generations have been raised in an environment of fast and convenience food, more and more people survive on take aways, pizzas, KFC, McBurgers, traditional cooking seems to have gone out of the window, If a child grows up in this environment it is classed as the norm and they will carry the cycle on because they know no different.
Cooking, healthy eating and exercise should be a major subject in school, but sports lessons are the first thing to suffer when a school needs to get it's results up.
Parents should be held accountable for obese children, other forms of abuse result in losing your kids, but you can slowly poison your children with shit, you can build a foundation of ill health and life long ridicule and that's acceptable?
But yes, the flipside I get. But do they then appreciate it? How many horses have you led to water Juan? How many drink?
I'm well known and have a reputation for insisting on effort, so most know what they are letting themselves in for, I'm straight with people from the beginning, I tell them what they will be going through and how much it will hurt, out of the initial interview approx 70% turn up, out of those approx 80% make it through the first 12 weeks, after 12 weeks of results they are usually hooked.
I - as you know and mention in my post - understand the food industry and have said over and over re the lack of education. However in this poor me world we live, people could seek out help themselves, educate themselves, it is all here for them.
Totally agree, you've seen the biggest loser, you've seen countless people who just didn't realise or see that they were getting fat, some really do not see the real reflection in the mirror, they focus on the good bits and ignore the role of fat hanging over their trousers, go out any weekend to see the evidence of this.
First you have to accept that you have a problem, only then will people seek help, and those are the stronger ones, some have spent their whole lives suffering ridicule and lack any belief in themselves whatsoever, while others blame everything but themselves for their lack of action, the real problem isn't physical, it's mental, again, you've seen that time and again on Biggest loser.
People with mental problems need help.
SO yes, there is a two way street on this, I just think like many things now, we gift wrap too much and too many people live their lives as victims.
I'm sure everyone here knows people like this, and yes, the system panders to these, enables their behaviour, professional benefit claimants who display a huge variety of "problems" most of which can't actually be medically verified, back problems, depression, fibromyalgia, CFS/ME, the list is endless, it's easy to con a doctor and many do, these people are obviously just lazy scum.
Can we trust the NHS to give these drugs THEN educate and help these folks not repeat the same mistakes? You know the answer to that.
I do indeed, it's not their job to educate, that should have happened at school, but failing that, there has to be some "ownership" of the problem, the obese have to accept that it is in their hands, you know yourself most will have the treatment and that's it done, just the same as most who are supposed to be following a physiotherapy routine, they just can't be bothered because they don't understand the need to.
Can we trust these people to take the drugs and not keep eating their shite food and doing no exercise? You also know the answer to that for many.
You have to give people enough rope.
OR you say, ok, we'll get you in shape, if you get back out of shape, good luck with that, go find private medical insurance because if you won't help yourself, nor will we a second time.
I agree that there should be a limit on the amount of chances a patient has to sort themselves out, I have no problem with that.
As previously stated, IF schools educated our children correctly, IF parents were educated correctly, If the Gov stepped in and imposed a ban on the advertising of unhealthy drink/food, imposed limits on the amount of sugar, the amount of additives, forced take aways, fast food outlets and drink/food producers to have nutritional info clearly available, there would not be so much of a problem.
