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Father of ADHD Admitted it Was a Fictitious Disease

Fair enough, I can only comment on the UK tbf, and as I say there are strict criteria in the UK, some might say because funding can be withheld if no diagnosis is given, I couldn't possibly comment . Of course by definition diagnosis is not an exact art, especially with behavioural conditions, so of course there is sometimes misdiagnosis but that does not mean that the condition doesn't exist.
 
CDX_EIRE - 11/12/2013 04:50

Wurzel - 9/12/2013 07:48

That is not the same as believing in creationism.

Hey you compared it to that first fella... :2:

Personally I try to solve most problems myself but if its life threatening and/or highly specialist Il consult with a few professionals...

All Im trying to tell you is pills dont need to be the first port of call but it often seems thats what everyone jumps to... I get educated about things at the end of the day a doctor is only giving you an opinion (based on his advanced education and experience yes)... Get a second opinion dont just jump on the first ship like most people...

Seems you just focused on one thing I said if you were more open you might see what Im getting at... Im not saying Im right Im not even trying to say Im right just dont take things at face value...
I personally dont think ADHD is a serious issue, what happens when you get older? You just suddenly lose it? You grow up? Sillyness... Im sure they have an imbalance but could it not be fixed by more natural means?

You're giving a kid a form of speed which makes them sit still and be quiet... Shocking stuff if you ask me but he its what the doc ordered must be good for the kid...
Now have a second read there so you dont mix things up again... :13:






Disregard my last sentence just trying to rile you up... :17:

To be fair I wasn't commenting on your post at all, sorry. The creationist comment is for GT and his agenda, nothing to do with you all all.
 
Wurzel - 11/12/2013 10:57

CDX_EIRE - 11/12/2013 04:50

Wurzel - 9/12/2013 07:48

That is not the same as believing in creationism.

Hey you compared it to that first fella... :2:

Personally I try to solve most problems myself but if its life threatening and/or highly specialist Il consult with a few professionals...

All Im trying to tell you is pills dont need to be the first port of call but it often seems thats what everyone jumps to... I get educated about things at the end of the day a doctor is only giving you an opinion (based on his advanced education and experience yes)... Get a second opinion dont just jump on the first ship like most people...

Seems you just focused on one thing I said if you were more open you might see what Im getting at... Im not saying Im right Im not even trying to say Im right just dont take things at face value...
I personally dont think ADHD is a serious issue, what happens when you get older? You just suddenly lose it? You grow up? Sillyness... Im sure they have an imbalance but could it not be fixed by more natural means?

You're giving a kid a form of speed which makes them sit still and be quiet... Shocking stuff if you ask me but he its what the doc ordered must be good for the kid...
Now have a second read there so you dont mix things up again... :13:






Disregard my last sentence just trying to rile you up... :17:

To be fair I wasn't commenting on your post at all, sorry. The creationist comment is for GT and his agenda, nothing to do with you all all.

Your point was not missed.

The creationist argument is relevant because it posits the idea that a person is exactly how God intended and any attempt to change a person is against the will of God.

So GT's apparent glee at the debunking of ADHD is predictable.


 
On that logic we should stop all forms of medication s everything is as God intended. I'm not a creationist but to defend them here, I've never heard of one that claims that God controls in minutia so I believe this premiss to be erroneous.
 
Ratman - 11/12/2013 13:32

ADHD is nothing that a good smack round the arse wouldn't cure!

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Your point was not missed.

The creationist argument is relevant because it posits the idea that a person is exactly how God intended and any attempt to change a person is against the will of God.
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Not my view at all.

I believe the original humans were the Creme de la creme of our species. Just like an original dog(wolf like animal), it's senses, it's alertness, stamina etc would all have been at top notch and the dogs you see today are just the derivatives of the original.
Humans its the same, we used to live for long ages the nearer to the blood line to Adam(original species) and our age has decreased over time. The original humans would have been perfectly made. Over time we have been exposed to pollutants, poisons, etc and science does it's best to combat it but the decline is still evident.Even the sperm count in man has declined over time. Everything dies, everything gets old, corrodes etc.

Drugs to fight a disease that is very possibly fictitious, just opens the door to more future problems. Sometimes we think we are solving a problem but in fact it just opens more problematic doors.

I think the best life we can lead, is to be as close to our original species as possible. Eat fresh foods that the Earth provides(not man) etc and we will have less of these type of fictional illnesses.

Eczema and allergies is other common problems now found in many of today's young children..Again these too could be solved by a simple change of lifestyle and diet.
 
We're living longer now than at any time in our history, so the facts don't support your theory. Bones show an organisms age in their makeup, and there is a very clear pattern of short life spans in all our ancestors.

I do agree that Natural is best if possible, but sometimes drugs are the only answer. Without them, many millions would have died that were saved.
 
Came across this tonight, this is part of what I was getting at:

""The rise of A.D.H.D. diagnoses and prescriptions for stimulants over the years coincided with a remarkably successful two-decade campaign by pharmaceutical companies to publicize the syndrome and promote the pills to doctors, educators and parents. With the children’s market booming, the industry is now employing similar marketing techniques as it focuses on adult A.D.H.D., which could become even more profitable.""

However I shall have to concede this:

""Few dispute that classic A.D.H.D., historically estimated to affect 5 percent of children, is a legitimate disability that impedes success at school, work and personal life. Medication often assuages the severe impulsiveness and inability to concentrate, allowing a person’s underlying drive and intelligence to emerge.""

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/15/health/the-selling-of-attention-deficit-disorder.html?hp&_r=2&smid=tw-share&utm_source=buffer&utm_campaign=Buffer&utm_content=buffer9c67f&utm_medium=facebook&
 
Can't see what is wrong with the first bit. Pharma companies run education campaigns constantly with health care professionals, how do you think doctors keep up to date with new strategies? This education is strictly governed by the ABPI.
 
At least kids are being helped instead of hit like in the old days when they were 'being naughty'.

Fine, some were just naughty, but others obviously had/have behavioural problems that need highlighting and helping.

 
Wurzel - 17/12/2013 07:38

Can't see what is wrong with the first bit. Pharma companies run education campaigns constantly with health care professionals, how do you think doctors keep up to date with new strategies? This education is strictly governed by the ABPI.

Probably need to read the rest of it, it touchs on what GT was on about with possible addiction issues but mainly its about what I was saying where they are just handing out pills willy nilly...
This says maybe 5% of kids have ADHD or ADD but doctors are handing them out readily because its profit to them and its easy for parents to control there kids when they have these meds... 15% of kids are getting these meds thats a lot higher than it should be... I dont think its the same i the UK to be fair but you still got to be careful...
 
I'm only talking about the UK, I cannot comment on the rest of the world. Doctors in the UK in general do not hand out Drugs willy nilly. Every prescription they sign comes out of their limited budget for the practice. Again it comes down to not just repeating clichés and unsubstantiated accusations because of a belief system. Let's not forget this thread started with the accusation that ADHD didn't exist. I think we can put that to bed now.
 
I think we just need to be careful we dont follow the Americans...

Little things trickle through from America into the rest of the world not all of them good...
 
Let's not forget this thread started with the accusation that ADHD didn't exist. I think we can put that to bed now.
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I will never accept it...
 
Green Tea - 17/12/2013 19:56

Let's not forget this thread started with the accusation that ADHD didn't exist. I think we can put that to bed now.
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I will never accept it...

I don't think anyone will be surprised. Lets face it, empirical evidence isn't your thing, is it.
 
Villan Of The North - 17/12/2013 10:18

I take it you were just naughty J. lol

high spirited and my attention span isn't very good, still isn't, I have to be engaged to behave! I did ok qualies wise though and was the only pupil ever in the headmasters long career to go and thank him for kicking me up the arse when needed. He called over a few members of staff and told them ... it was quite funny!

lol