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Father of ADHD Admitted it Was a Fictitious Disease

Id be inclined to believe a professional from Ireland, England etc but not America because hospitals and such are capitalist here... Doctors can cut deals with pharma companies... It to prescribe more stuff...

What your saying is in the same boat as a creationist IMO Wurzel... Oh he has a degree lets just believe everything he says at least get a second opinion...
There are things like ADHD which IMO are just a cop out for parents and teachers to take a back seat... All a kid with 'ADHD' needs is to be engaged Iv heard the stories kid gets diagnosed parents dont want to give him drugs to subdue them... So they go and find a way to control his 'over activity'...

If it is a real disease then fine but dont run to the pill at the first sign of danger it should be last resort... Thats the real underlying issue here... Give the kid a good diet, a bit of a routine and find a sport/art/talent which they love, enjoy and become semi-obsessed with...
 
A lot of parents are struggling with work and their own issues so when their child has a problem, they aren't in a position to help.

It's a shame and it's not how things should be but it often is the case. For a lot of families, both parents have to work to make ends meet and that leaves very little time for the kids.
 
There is a stringent process before a diagnosis of ADHD is given, you don't just rock up to a doctor with a naughty child. As I said CDX you are entitled to believe what you want, doesn't make it right. Personally if I want my car repairing I go to a mechanic, if I want a rewire I go to an electrician. So if I have a medical issue I go to people who have spent years training to diagnose my problem. That is not the same as believing in creationism.
 
LOL... a very good illustration BBJ, if you hadn't pointed it out, I'm sure clive would have later!!!!!!!!!!!

I partly agree wurzel, depends what the child has, how bad they are etc. But to totally dismiss the role what we feed ourselves/our children is also wrong in my humble.

Exercise for instance has been proven in several studies to release the right chemicals to help depression just as much as the foo foo pills. Exercise though takes effort and makes drug companies/doctors no money.

Now there will be some with severe depression who certainly don't respond to just exercise/improved diet, and yes, they would need treating with the drug therapy but that shouldn't exclude natures way either.
 
I wasn't doing that J, I was challenging the belief put forward that Healthcare professionals and scientists are perpetuating a myth put forward by the thread creator who for some reason has a bee in his bonnet about science. As I said people are free to express their belief in anything they want, just that personally I will pay more attention to an informed opinion rather than an ill-informed opinion.
 
I don't know if any of you realize this, however my Dr once explained to me that depression and so on starts with the physical. He drew it on a piece of paper for me.

We have hormones (little circles) bouncing around in our body. They are needed to keep us alive. If something happens the hormones won't bounce around the same. However if things keep repeating for whatever reason, these hormones don't bounce back to normal the same way. They will be come more flat. The physical hormones are then draining the brain of what it needs to stay mentally well, hence we can become depressed.

It's as JF says some will always need medication to keep them stable, like my 2nd lad. I am also 1 who will be on anti-d's for the rest of my life to keep some sort of leveling off of my mental health, because of the extremes of my story, through life.

You can buy a 'natural' product called St John's wart to help with mild depression. I don't know how well it work but it is said to be good for mild depression
 
Some facts on ADHD from the NHS website, should dispell a few myths:

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Attention-deficit-hyperactivity-disorder/Pages/Diagnosis.aspx
 
The Fear - 9/12/2013 10:42

LOL... a very good illustration BBJ, if you hadn't pointed it out, I'm sure clive would have later!!!!!!!!!!!

I partly agree wurzel, depends what the child has, how bad they are etc. But to totally dismiss the role what we feed ourselves/our children is also wrong in my humble.

Exercise for instance has been proven in several studies to release the right chemicals to help depression just as much as the foo foo pills. Exercise though takes effort and makes drug companies/doctors no money.

Now there will be some with severe depression who certainly don't respond to just exercise/improved diet, and yes, they would need treating with the drug therapy but that shouldn't exclude natures way either.
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Regards the effect of diet on behaviour in general, watch Supersize me again, some great info on there about it.
 
Wurzel - 9/12/2013 10:17

I wasn't doing that J, I was challenging the belief put forward that Healthcare professionals and scientists are perpetuating a myth put forward by the thread creator who for some reason has a bee in his bonnet about science. As I said people are free to express their belief in anything they want, just that personally I will pay more attention to an informed opinion rather than an ill-informed opinion.
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Duly noted sir!!??

For me, it is a mix. Informed medical opinion said I was stressed.

I was dying of a brain disease.

However I do understand what you are saying mate!!

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Agreed Villan of the north...



Oh and no, diet and exercise wouldn't have helped my problem, only expert medical intervention, so as said, I do get what wurzel is saying as well. But with some things, medical could look towards lifestyle etc before drugs but many patients wouldn't want to help themselves and the drug companies would hate it!!
 
No one has said that it does, not in this thread anyway.
 
I'm with JF regarding if anything they can be too cautious. My 2nd lad with bi-polar was diagnosed with a form of migraine when he was 14. We had got him to the Doctors as I knew there was something wrong. The Doctor's agreed after reading the report I had put together from pregnancy/birth on.

Off to the neurologist he went be diagnosed with a form of migraine FFS! 8 years later we finally got the correct diagnosis however it took him nearly dieing to get it and me putting my foot down and making enough noise. They didn't want to listen to em at 1st at the hospital as my son was 22 and past the age of parental responsibility FFS.

Shouldn't had to have made that much noise. The only backing I got was from our family Doctor. A sit out in the hospital and in the Dr surgery as our Dr wasn't there at the time after being p*ssed about all day, soon got them listening. We finally got to see the right people.

So from personal experience I don't think these diagnosis are given to easily. If anything they err more on the side of caution.

Diet and lifestyle will play apart in an unhealthy child however physically that wasn't the case. The 1st time my son tried to kill himself they put it down to the trauma of us fleeing and the aftermath. I knew it was more. I told them that my other 3 though need support weren't in the same place. I knew there was more wrong but they only listened when he darned near died and event hen I had to fight to get them to listen properly

 
Wurzel - 9/12/2013 07:48

That is not the same as believing in creationism.
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Hey you compared it to that first fella... :2:

Personally I try to solve most problems myself but if its life threatening and/or highly specialist Il consult with a few professionals...

All Im trying to tell you is pills dont need to be the first port of call but it often seems thats what everyone jumps to... I get educated about things at the end of the day a doctor is only giving you an opinion (based on his advanced education and experience yes)... Get a second opinion dont just jump on the first ship like most people...

Seems you just focused on one thing I said if you were more open you might see what Im getting at... Im not saying Im right Im not even trying to say Im right just dont take things at face value...
I personally dont think ADHD is a serious issue, what happens when you get older? You just suddenly lose it? You grow up? Sillyness... Im sure they have an imbalance but could it not be fixed by more natural means?

You're giving a kid a form of speed which makes them sit still and be quiet... Shocking stuff if you ask me but he its what the doc ordered must be good for the kid...
Now have a second read there so you dont mix things up again... :13:






Disregard my last sentence just trying to rile you up... :17:
 
Wurzel - 9/12/2013 07:48

There is a stringent process before a diagnosis of ADHD is given, you don't just rock up to a doctor with a naughty child. As I said CDX you are entitled to believe what you want, doesn't make it right. Personally if I want my car repairing I go to a mechanic, if I want a rewire I go to an electrician. So if I have a medical issue I go to people who have spent years training to diagnose my problem. That is not the same as believing in creationism.
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Not sure what Creationism is to with it so I'l ignore that part.

Its not as stringent as you think. Im actually quite shocked at the system that kids enter into these days. Being slightly naughty, hyper at school and the parent(s) are brought in. The teacher will say maybe the child needs a test/evaluation - from this point on the child has been branded. Its mind probing the child and looking for issues that are just not there, of course the child is young and will just be enjoying all the attention he/she gets. - This attention could create a "stage" for the child to act out more silly behaviour, which in turn gets the smarties(pills) administered. = This is where the system is failing our kids.

Instead we should be encouraging a healthy lifestyle, Jamie Oliver pointed out how crap the food was that kids are eating...And this is food served in our schools!
 
It is very stringent, and can be very frustrating for parents with children who are suffering. The information is on the NHS website I posted. Parents who don't get a diagnosis may not get funding for therapies to help with the condition which is why it is so frustrating for them. This situation was confirmed to me when I attended a meeting with the paediatrician for my local County Council who was giving a talk on such matters. Slightly naughty children who play up will not be diagnosed with ADHD, this a myth. Also just eating vegetables and going for a run will not cure those who are diagnosed, although it is used as one of the coping stratergies by the NHS.

But let's not get away from the assertion of the initial post that ADHD is a fictitious condition. That statement is simply not true.
 
The issue Rob is that different countries have different diagnostic processes, heck, even different municipalities have different processes. I know a young woman who, when in her mid teens, was diagnosed with ADHD and put on Ritalin (sp?). She was, no doubt, as disruptive element in class but in no way a bad kid, we got to know her well and she often babysat for us - we trusted her completely. (not to say that ADHD sufferers cant be trusted but they are not exactly know for being reliable either) She decided that she didn't like how the medicine made her feel and stopped taking it. By this time she was at catering college and engaged in something she was actually interested in - she's never looked back. It seems that her diagnosis was a combination of teachers that could not cope (not sure it was just her being difficult in the class) and a disinterested mother (absent father)

On the other hand I have a friend who's son (actually a good friend with my sons) clearly has behavioural issues, with parents that are very engaged in their children's education. They fought to get his diagnosis and that Aspergers diagnosis that his sister has. The have 2 other children with no apparent problems so it's not just a case of the parents wanting this to ease their burden.

The point is, despite this being the same health authority the two families have had very different experiences with the diagnostic process, largely due the parental involvement. When you take this into account Fears comments about diet become even more relevant as it is most often the less engaged parents that have children living on junk food.

Not that I'm disagreeing with you Rob, just expanding on a couple of points.
 
My point is nothing to do with Fears post, it is to do with the initial post that ADHD does not exist, and that a naughty child will be diagnosed as ADHD. Nothing to do with diet at all. Is that clear?
 
I know Rob, I was just expanding on a couple of things and giving one example of a so called disruptive teenager that was diagnosed as having ADHD when she clearly did not, it was, as mentioned, a combination of teachers that for one reason or another could not cope and a disinterested mother. So to say that the diagnosis process is stringent may be the case in the UK but I can guarantee you that this is not always the case elsewhere.
 
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