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badge73 - 26/2/2013 13:24

http://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com/tag/labour-party-conference/

http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/news/paralympics-atos-disability-protest-benefits-90709

disability benefit has always had bad press and no doubt some have taken the piss out of it big time, whilst others struggle to even get it, hence why i am in favour of it being looked at and indeed more in depth investigation and when you think about the reasons why, then you might agree with me.

at present under the dla system quite a few cases have never had a medical, hence so many get done for fraud, for example have an accident years ago and there condition has improved, but the payments carry on.

did you know there have been cases of parents being awarded a mobility car due to the child having adhd?

http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/waste/2011/10/adhd-motability-scheme-exposes.html

going back quite a few years ago i remember when working around birmingham of asian families with a disabled child, passing it around other families so they could say its theres and claim.

Those who haven't had medicals are usually those who have sent in enough proof of their disabilities, affects etc and that has remained the same on ESA and will on the new PIP's I read.

There should be an opt out for those who have no way of getting better and them to continue lifetime awards
 
there lies the problem, as i said with those not being called in for evidence, they rely on the family gp, which would depend on the relationship, after all like everywhere in society i have no doubt "scratch my back and i will scratch yours" system exists.

i honestly dont think enough investigation is actually done on quite a few claims especially with evidence submitted, wonder how many times the dwp actually write to the specialist or care worker?

i may sound harsh but think about it like this ... those who are refused benefits might actually get them if more investigating is done, rather then a written forms.
 
But then that is fraud Badge. Not many doctors would be willing to be party to fraud, lose their license/job and possibly their liberty.

with SOME a medical is fine, but many have listed conditions that will only ever worsen, it is clear that for instance the lady with cerebral palsey was highly disabled, she might well lose mobility allowance because she could walk 200m. She'll lose her car, she'll lose her independence.

Very very poor route to take people, that leads to isolation and worse.

I understand that tax avoidance, benefits and all sorts of frauds need to be looked at to save money. However, the criteria is appalling AND they have again aimed things at the disabled and not as much to the super rich who avoid tax only via loopholes (which could be closed) etc

We need balance in society. I need balance in my head and legs (a brain ache joke!)
 
And again, why not means test?

And why not stop the child benefits to more than 2 kids (as kids ... sorry ... are a choice) etc etc.

Means testing for me is massive. The heating allowance is a joke to send to people on more than £100k a year. As are other benefits including disability money. I know a very well off family who get DLA (legitimately, horrible MS) who really don't need it at all. But they won't not take what they are due unless they are told they aren't due it.
 
badge73 - 26/2/2013 13:24

http://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com/tag/labour-party-conference/

http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/news/paralympics-atos-disability-protest-benefits-90709

disability benefit has always had bad press and no doubt some have taken the piss out of it big time, whilst others struggle to even get it, hence why i am in favour of it being looked at and indeed more in depth investigation and when you think about the reasons why, then you might agree with me.

at present under the dla system quite a few cases have never had a medical, hence so many get done for fraud, for example have an accident years ago and there condition has improved, but the payments carry on.

did you know there have been cases of parents being awarded a mobility car due to the child having adhd?

http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/waste/2011/10/adhd-motability-scheme-exposes.html

going back quite a few years ago i remember when working around birmingham of asian families with a disabled child, passing it around other families so they could say its theres and claim.

But none of those cases would be on an exclusion list and should be investigated and regularly checked.

We are talking the severe diseases and damage that can't ever be reversed. They are too vulnerable to be 'toyed' with.
 
Another wonderful part of the war on the poor. I'm excited to see what comes next. My guess would be abolishing the NHS and charging full fees for education.
 
badge73 - 26/2/2013 13:43

there lies the problem, as i said with those not being called in for evidence, they rely on the family gp, which would depend on the relationship, after all like everywhere in society i have no doubt "scratch my back and i will scratch yours" system exists.

i honestly dont think enough investigation is actually done on quite a few claims especially with evidence submitted, wonder how many times the dwp actually write to the specialist or care worker?

i may sound harsh but think about it like this ... those who are refused benefits might actually get them if more investigating is done, rather then a written forms.

I mean also more than Dr's reports: The majority who have disabilities that won't change have hospital proof, carers, social workers and more.

When we did my 2nd lad who has bi-polar renewal we had as much paperwork to send in as evidence as there were pages in the form.

We sent in his where he is now statement from the Doctor's, all his Psychiatric reports, evidence of that he gets copies of to go into his file on a monthly basis of what they are doing, proof of treatment he is in from the Psych team and so on and so forth.

If you can send that type of proof in then there is no need for a medical imo as there isn't for many conditions. It's just a waste of money to spend on medicals when here is enough evidence to show it isn't needed
 
The 1 thing I did see in the statement of mobility is 'if you can walk this safely'

Providing you can pick up this point ''safely'' and explain clearly what happens when you walk, re stop and starts, taking more time, still have falls etc with or without aids, takes longer etc. then you should get the award.

The problem being is that the majority don't know how to do these forms properly and don't know they can get help to fill them in from the right sources. (Mind you alot of these sources such as social workers aren't properly trained to do them as I have seen some of the messes of them)

I wouldn't advocate anyone apply for benefits without getting the right professional help to fill then in now.

0800 088 2200 is an independent advice no for those who are disabled re benefits. It is an extremely useful additional resource for any support/advice on appeals/ what your entitled to etc.

Hope it was O.K to post that No. If not let me know and I will remove it
 
The Fear - 26/2/2013 13:51

But then that is fraud Badge. Not many doctors would be willing to be party to fraud, lose their license/job and possibly their liberty.

with SOME a medical is fine, but many have listed conditions that will only ever worsen, it is clear that for instance the lady with cerebral palsey was highly disabled, she might well lose mobility allowance because she could walk 200m. She'll lose her car, she'll lose her independence.

Very very poor route to take people, that leads to isolation and worse.

I understand that tax avoidance, benefits and all sorts of frauds need to be looked at to save money. However, the criteria is appalling AND they have again aimed things at the disabled and not as much to the super rich who avoid tax only via loopholes (which could be closed) etc

We need balance in society. I need balance in my head and legs (a brain ache joke!)

of cause its fraud fear, and it does exist.

i did see the poor woman on the programme and agree it would be cruel and hopefully it will not happen in her case, dont forget the media are loving this at the moment ready to sell the papers etc.

as with the media again about tax avoidance, if they have evidence submit it to the revenue/courts/mps or who ever and get them prosecuted ... or even better just avoid those companies full stop.
 
The Fear - 26/2/2013 13:52

And again, why not means test?

And why not stop the child benefits to more than 2 kids (as kids ... sorry ... are a choice) etc etc.

Means testing for me is massive. The heating allowance is a joke to send to people on more than £100k a year. As are other benefits including disability money. I know a very well off family who get DLA (legitimately, horrible MS) who really don't need it at all. But they won't not take what they are due unless they are told they aren't due it.

:14: i agree, as would do the same .... but imagine if they did? you would have the left wing media up in arms dragging out poor council chav saying its back to days of dickens.
 
Almost 200,000 people were granted a disability benefit last year without ever having a face-to-face assessment.

A staggering 94% of new claimants for Disability Living Allowance (DLA) started receiving their payments after only filling out paperwork.

Official figures released last night revealed that 16% of new claimants received the benefit – worth £70 a week – after merely filling out a claim form.

A further 36% provided supporting evidence, while another 42% provided a GP report, according to the Department for Work and Pensions.

http://benefitfraud.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/32m-people-on-disability-living.html
 
I've always assumed many people on here are Tory voters?
 
This link will give you all the details of PIPS as it stands with amendments. It also confirms if you are on indefinite awards you will not be reassessed until 2015 and that not everyone will need to attend a medical if enough evidence is provided

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/policy/disability/personal-independence-payment/pip-toolkit/about-pip/forms.shtml
 
I don't think you are looking at what I'm saying badge.

If course, like all benefit cheats, tax evaders, fraudsters should be looked at.

However there are some who should not need assessing, ever, their very illness and the level of damage it will inevitably (INEVITABLY) cause is more than enough of a qualification UNLESS they ever start on means testing.

Yes there are those doing the system, these cases are not.
 
http://mywayaccess.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=26:councillor-says-disabled-children-should-be-put-downq-&catid=1:blog&Itemid=36

Councillor says 'Disabled children should be put down"
Wednesday, 27 February 2013 11:43
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It was with a heavy heart that I learned about a statement an Independent Councillor at Cornwall Council, made a Disability Cornwall member, at a stall at County Hall in Truro in October 2011.

Collin Brewer, had told the disability charity that, “Disabled children cost the council too much money and should be put down”.



Collin has since apologised for his comment, but says he was just trying to “provoke a reaction”.

In his apology letter, he continued to say

“I am writing to offer my wholehearted apology for the offence these remarks have clearly caused.

While I meant no offence by my remarks to you I can see, in retrospect, that they were ill-judged and insensitive and should not have been made at all."

Collin has not resigned his seat from the council and there does not appear to be any calls for him to do so.



Go to link to finish reading

There are no words to sum up this 'person'
 
So what needs to done.

Should the already drained family that cannot afford a holiday each year pay more tax? Or should the government up the tax on the rich businessmen thus forcing them to move their company abroad where it can be cheaper, with YET more money and jobs gone from the country?

Some may say the Conservatives are getting tough on the so called weak. Maybe some will say it should be damn difficult to get FREE MONEY.

Some may also say that if those honest disabled people on benefits want to moan, then maybe start moaning at the guys screwing the system because its the dishonesty that has made getting FREE MONEY hard.

Should it be easy to get FREE MONEY? And these tests that are carried out, do you blame them in a society where screwing the system is very common.

 
Pathetic. No more than expected. Jesus Christ, you think some of these people are making easy free money?

You must be on the wind up.
 
GT it is NOT a choice of life to live disabled. It's bloody hell but we learn to live with it somehow. The majority of us have worked/do work in some shape or capacity.

As the article says that there is more screwed in unpaid tax than in benefits and according to the stats given by them the unclaimed monies are more than quadrupled what is taken in fraud. No I don't agree with the fraudulent claimers either however the disabled are seen as easy target.

People are dieing FFS because of inept handling and the non caring attitude of ATOS and the government/s past and present.

BTW did you know and this is true that David Cameron actually had DLA for his young child that died. Yes he was entitled but the hypocrisy is unbelievable
 
I am a member of a welfare independent site. This link is open to all including non members to do a free self test with the new P.I.P.S coming out. I was hard with myself and took myself out of the box to think from how they think kinda and get into the descriptiors.

I thought I would post it here to for anyone else concerned.

Incidently the majority of the site is open to all to read including the forums. The only parts unavailable are to the descriptors of how to fill in the forms and posting on the forums. You can sign up as a member or not to receive the free newsletter each week.

The company are solicitors who work in the legal and training of welfare benefits to professionals and their agencies as well as helping everyday people.

http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-payment-pip/pip-self-test?utm_source=iContact&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Benefits%20and