Executive Boxes in Co-op Stand

[buckielugger]

The linpave stand heavily subsidised was a bargain unfortunately football league level facilities are expensive.

It would probably be cheaper to knock it down and rebuild then attempt to engineer a modified stand.

Ok it would be relatively simple job as the ground conditions are known access is good and the site would be level and a decent size. When you cover all the professional fees, the labour and materials etc it would be in the millions. Anything with aesthetic qualities and facilities beyond a basic toilet block etc and it will be expensive.

I don’t have the norms but there will be a metrics online. Quick research (very old data so would need to be indexed) looks like anything from £1k to £3k per seat. I think that is a new stadium which would mean a new 20k stadium would be anything from £20m to £60m (needs to be adjusted for inflation)

I would assume that replacing a stand would be considering less as you would not have the same level of cost as new stadium but even at £500 per seat you would need to find £2m to build a 4K stand.

Food for thought

Interesting figures, first time I'd seen a figure of £500 per seat as a possible guideline.

The obvious build that gets suggested repeatedly is a double sized Stacey West. So perhaps 3000 seats.
If that was to ever be possible in the future, that could be £15 million therefore.
Add a row of boxes above it or across its middle then £20 million upwards could be needed. Hmmm.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

To cater for those that want hospitality (ie extra exec boxes) without reducing the overall capacity of SB would be to remove the roof of the stacey west stand and build the new hospitality area behind the stand and raise the roof.

Another option is to demolish the st andrews stand (selenity) and build a brand new main stand that runs the length of the pitch abd include exec boxes here. There would be a reduction of approx 1500 seats while this is built, but depending on size of new stand could hold between 4000 - 10000. In my opinion we only need a max capacity of 15,000.

One possible issue, is the lack of water pressure on match days, which affects the ground. Also there maybe limits on the capacity due to the limited access points to the area around the stadium.

 

[bristolimp]

Interesting figures, first time I'd seen a figure of £500 per seat as a possible guideline.

The obvious build that gets suggested repeatedly is a double sized Stacey West. So perhaps 3000 seats.
If that was to ever be possible in the future, that could be £15 million therefore.
Add a row of boxes above it or across its middle then £20 million upwards could be needed. Hmmm.

Stevenage built a new stand for around that number

 

[Impala]

Stevenage built a new stand for around that number

Almost £1m for 1,600 seats.
Half raised from grant, half from fans’ bond issue.

 

[bigdavethemaddog]

Almost £1m for 1,600 seats.
Half raised from grant, half from fans’ bond issue.

surely we now have the fan base to achieve something like this?

 

[Impala]

surely we now have the fan base to achieve something like this?

Absolutely, but to add maybe 500 to the capacity, why bother?

 

[57harry]

To cater for those that want hospitality (ie extra exec boxes) without reducing the overall capacity of SB would be to remove the roof of the stacey west stand and build the new hospitality area behind the stand and raise the roof.

Another option is to demolish the st andrews stand (selenity) and build a brand new main stand that runs the length of the pitch abd include exec boxes here. There would be a reduction of approx 1500 seats while this is built, but depending on size of new stand could hold between 4000 - 10000. In my opinion we only need a max capacity of 15,000.

One possible issue, is the lack of water pressure on match days, which affects the ground. Also there maybe limits on the capacity due to the limited access points to the area around the stadium.

Interesting point. It would be good to know how practical/viable this option might be.

 

[buckielugger]

To give an idea of how much it costs to build a new stadium now (or to build new stands with the necessary facilities), AFC Wimbledon's new ground at Plough Lane is costing £25 million for a 10,000 capacity, and the final bill will probably be higher. The fact that they haven't got the money to pay for it could be a problem in twelve months' time. At least they will be 'back home' in Wimbledon by the time the club folds.

Ah so that's £2500 per seat.
But maybe includes buying the land? Plus in fairly central London...

 

[bristolimp]

Interesting point. It would be good to know how practical/viable this option might be.

Expensive as it’s not conventional plus the Stacey west is old technology.

Probably best to drop some kind of modular building in the gap between St. Andrews and Stacey west if you Could have the roof of the modular building as the viewing platform/terrace for be match and be actual building as hospitality.

 

[bristolimp]

Ah so that's £2500 per seat.
But maybe includes buying the land? Plus in fairly central London...

That’s the price for new stadium - includes new services new roads new pitch new offices new facilities etc. If you are building a new stand you only have the professional fees associated with legals/planning/design and PM plus the cost of construction.

 

[Spilsby52]

According to Simon Inglis, the Linpave/COOP stand was was of the cheapest ever built (per seat) at the time at slightly over £200 per seat. It's a shame we can't get something that costs the same now.

 

[bristolimp]

According to Simon Inglis, the Linpave/COOP stand was was of the cheapest ever built (per seat) at the time at slightly over £200 per seat. It's a shame we can't get something that costs the same now.

Yes it was done at the cost of materials only. The club got a massive freebie there

 

[buckielugger]

Yes it was done at the cost of materials only. The club got a massive freebie there

Ahh well that's the route to go down again then ???

 

[imp73]

Some very rough calculations...

If we had a 3000 bigger capacity ... how much bigger would our overall attendance be this season? Id say 15,000 is a reasonable estimate. 15000 × 20 = 300, 000 quid. If (and its a medium sized if) we maintain a similar amount of interest and level for the next decade thats about 3 million pounds.

If we got in the championship, wed be losing 50,000 + spectators a season... easily a million pounds.

Our current stadium is barely adequate for where we are now...any advance and it becomes inadequate. Id look to rebuilding the st andrews stand.

 

[GreenNeedle]

Some very rough calculations...

If we had a 3000 bigger capacity ... how much bigger would our overall attendance be this season? Id say 15,000 is a reasonable estimate. 15000 × 20 = 300, 000 quid. If (and its a medium sized if) we maintain a similar amount of interest and level for the next decade thats about 3 million pounds.

If we got in the championship, wed be losing 50,000 + spectators a season... easily a million pounds.

Our current stadium is barely adequate for where we are now...any advance and it becomes inadequate. Id look to rebuilding the st andrews stand.

Shouldn;t it be 15,000 x £20 x 23 games + cups games? meaning £6,900,000?

And I think the average ticket price will be nearer £10 when you account for how many kids and concessions we have, so that would be £3,450,000 per season not counting cup games and before costs are taken off that.

Meaning ticket income over 10 years would be £34.5m

 

[Luke Imp]

On the huge, huge assumption that we sell out every game for 10 seasons...!

 

[SalfordImp]

According to Simon Inglis, the Linpave/COOP stand was was of the cheapest ever built (per seat) at the time at slightly over £200 per seat. It's a shame we can't get something that costs the same now.

So at today's prices that is c1.9M @ £340 per seat (capicity being 5,700)

 

[Scotimp]

Some very rough calculations...

If we had a 3000 bigger capacity ... how much bigger would our overall attendance be this season? Id say 15,000 is a reasonable estimate. 15000 × 20 = 300, 000 quid. If (and its a medium sized if) we maintain a similar amount of interest and level for the next decade thats about 3 million pounds.

If we got in the championship, wed be losing 50,000 + spectators a season... easily a million pounds.

Our current stadium is barely adequate for where we are now...any advance and it becomes inadequate. Id look to rebuilding the st andrews stand.

This isn't quite right. To begin with, we do not make £20 per seat, we make around £11. Secondly, you have to deduct the cost of building the increased capacity from the income it generates to determine whether it is feasible or not. The cost of rebuilding the St Andrew's Stand is at least £5 million, and probably a lot more than that by the time it is finished, so your numbers have fallen apart already. You also have to factor into the cost the loss of revenue due to the removal of capacity and commercial income in the interim. You are also assuming that Lincoln are going to keep winning for years to come and attendances will continue to increase. It doesn't work, does it?

 

[Scotimp]

Shouldn;t it be 15,000 x £20 x 23 games + cups games? meaning £6,900,000?

And I think the average ticket price will be nearer £10 when you account for how many kids and concessions we have, so that would be £3,450,000 per season not counting cup games and before costs are taken off that.

Meaning ticket income over 10 years would be £34.5m

No, I think he means adding 15,000 to the aggregate attendance per season - if we add 3,000 capacity, we can hardly be pulling in 15,000 per game.

 

[imp73]

This isn't quite right. To begin with, we do not make £20 per seat, we make around £11. Secondly, you have to deduct the cost of building the increased capacity from the income it generates to determine whether it is feasible or not. The cost of rebuilding the St Andrew's Stand is at least £5 million, and probably a lot more than that by the time it is finished, so your numbers have fallen apart already. You also have to factor into the cost the loss of revenue due to the removal of capacity and commercial income in the interim. You are also assuming that Lincoln are going to keep winning for years to come and attendances will continue to increase. It doesn't work, does it?

Wouldnt the extra attendence be largely away fans who generally pay full price?