Euros Germany 2024

Btw I wasn’t nervous before the game wasn’t too upset after I can cope losing to a better side these days but if we announce Moore and O’Hare today I’ll be buzzin

Club over country every time
 
Bulmer1889 said:
Btw I wasn’t nervous before the game wasn’t too upset after I can cope losing to a better side these days but if we announce Moore and O’Hare today I’ll be buzzin

Club over country every time
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In sport nowt comes close to the BLADES for me,never has and that won't change.That said i wanted England to win last neet but Spain were the best team in the tournament by a country mile and thoroughly deserved to win.Are you confident abart Moore & O'Hare signing from what you've heard? If they do,i'll be very happy as well Mi owd pal.UTB
 
We will never win a major football tournament again, been taken over through the years by so many other countries. Plus our "World Class" stars Bellingham, Rice, Saka, Foden etc were pants against real World Class stars. Problem is they'll look good in their club sides due to being mentored by really great players.
 
Mahatmafoot said:
We will never win a major football tournament again, been taken over through the years by so many other countries. Plus our "World Class" stars Bellingham, Rice, Saka, Foden etc were pants against real World Class stars. Problem is they'll look good in their club sides due to being mentored by really great players.
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The only 'world class star' in Spain's team was Rodri.

England have caught up the leading countries in a lot of ways in recent years. Some improvement from us, some going backwards from them, and a lot of equalising due to the de-nationalising impact that mainly African players have had for most of the top countries. The recent tournaments all prove that. 2 finals, 1 semi, 1 quarter. Things have changed in England's favour one way or another and they should have won a trophy in the last few years. At least one (2021).

Your type of comment there is about 30 years out of date.

What has prevented England winning is a very limited manager.

You don't need to be anything special to win these tournaments these last few years. Spain have won yet another almost by default. Because they've been the only functioning, decent team in the tournament. They're nothing special. Compare them to their 2008-2012 side. As I said, only Rodri is unarguably world class, compared to about 6 or 7 players from their 2008-12 line ups.

Yet, it does feel like England's chance has gone. You can't expect to waste this many opportunities and then get to come back and have another go. It'll be somebody else's chance in the next few years.
 
Chronic said:
The only 'world class star' in Spain's team was Rodri.

England have caught up the leading countries in a lot of ways in recent years. Some improvement from us, some going backwards from them, and a lot of equalising due to the de-nationalising impact that mainly African players have had for most of the top countries. The recent tournaments all prove that. 2 finals, 1 semi, 1 quarter. Things have changed in England's favour one way or another and they should have won a trophy in the last few years. At least one (2021).

Your type of comment there is about 30 years out of date.

What has prevented England winning is a very limited manager.

You don't need to be anything special to win these tournaments these last few years. Spain have won yet another almost by default. Because they've been the only functioning, decent team in the tournament. They're nothing special. Compare them to their 2008-2012 side. As I said, only Rodri is unarguably world class, compared to about 6 or 7 players from their 2008-12 line ups.

Yet, it does feel like England's chance has gone. You can't expect to waste this many opportunities and then get to come back and have another go. It'll be somebody else's chance in the next few years.
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World class teams have world class players and that's why they win trophies. So since Sir Alf we've had very limited managers, but amazingly other nations have managed to find ones that form teams and win things. Yes, 2 finals, 1 semi, 1 quarter is abject failure. Just look at Spain, France, Germany etc over the years, they put our country to shame and that's only the European teams You can have your opinion but to me it is has no validity whatsoever.
 
We've won various youth tournaments.

Player development has improved and the tactical/style side of things has modernised.

Relative to the competition we've very rarely if ever been stronger. There are no seriously good teams in international football now.

What has prevented England winning in the last few years is Southgate. Yet he's also a reason they've steadily and consistently made it deep into tournaments. He's prevented drastic underperformance and given a talented squad a platform to get results.

What is interesting is how England still naturally fail to match the likes of Spain in the technical and possession department. Surrendering possession to Italy cost us in 2021. Being unable to have a fair share of the ball gave us an uphill struggle last night. This is one of the next hurdles to overcome but I'm not sure how it will be done. It probably won't be. So be it. Not all national teams should necessarily be able to play the same way or even aspire to. The style differences are/were what make it interesting. Whatever ours is to be, we have to find a way of making it successful - without hoping for penalties in every game. Maybe in 100 years we'll crack it.
 
I don't think we matched Spain with the effort either. Take your time and don't find space football that we are all used to these days with England.
 
The 'tainted by foreigners' argument makes we wonder why we didn't win every international tournament up to 1966 then????
 
Chips1889 said:
I don't think we matched Spain with the effort either. Take your time and don't find space football that we are all used to these days with England.
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Yes fitness or effort whatever the reason we don't seem to be able to be 'at it' for long periods.The strange thing is the same players play with/against and match the effort and fitness of these players in club football, and so as Chronic says the only common denominator is Southgate, his tactics and his coaching team. For him to use the excuse that our lads aren't as fit as the opposition early in the tournament was shocking and frankly will have done the player's confidence no good at all. If they're not fit enough it's down to him, I don't think any other major country had any more time than we had post season.
 
Grayblade said:
Yes fitness or effort whatever the reason we don't seem to be able to be 'at it' for long periods.The strange thing is the same players play with/against and match the effort and fitness of these players in club football, and so as Chronic says the only common denominator is Southgate, his tactics and his coaching team. For him to use the excuse that our lads aren't as fit as the opposition early in the tournament was shocking and frankly will have done the player's confidence no good at all. If they're not fit enough it's down to him, I don't think any other major country had any more time than we had post season.
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And Kane was quick to jump on the 'tired players' defence when interviewed afterwards- a ready made excuse you could say.Strange how all those foreigners from the PL managed to struggle on through.
The way the players, to a man, seem to 'love' the manager makes me wonder just how demanding, how decisive, how hard he is on them behind the scenes- or is it the easy ride they like?

They're not going to denigrate him whilst still in post but I reckon there'll be plenty said as soon as he has no influence on their careers. The older ones must think that time and opportunity is running out and that HE has blown their chances of 'glory' although, having said that, I doubt there'd be many in 2080 able to recite the 11 players as we can with Banks, Cohen, Wilson...............etc.
 
I think Gareth will go now,i wonder who the Vital BLADES posters would like to replace him? Graham Potter perhaps.UTB
 
Grayblade said:
Yes fitness or effort whatever the reason we don't seem to be able to be 'at it' for long periods.The strange thing is the same players play with/against and match the effort and fitness of these players in club football, and so as Chronic says the only common denominator is Southgate, his tactics and his coaching team. For him to use the excuse that our lads aren't as fit as the opposition early in the tournament was shocking and frankly will have done the player's confidence no good at all. If they're not fit enough it's down to him, I don't think any other major country had any more time than we had post season.
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Did we take the right players inthe first place Gray?
 
tomytony said:
And Kane was quick to jump on the 'tired players' defence when interviewed afterwards- a ready made excuse you could say.Strange how all those foreigners from the PL managed to struggle on through.
The way the players, to a man, seem to 'love' the manager makes me wonder just how demanding, how decisive, how hard he is on them behind the scenes- or is it the easy ride they like?

They're not going to denigrate him whilst still in post but I reckon there'll be plenty said as soon as he has no influence on their careers. The older ones must think that time and opportunity is running out and that HE has blown their chances of 'glory' although, having said that, I doubt there'd be many in 2080 able to recite the 11 players as we can with Banks, Cohen, Wilson...............etc.
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No chance of this lot being remembered TT.
I think it's shameful that Kane also used the 'tired' excuse without offering up any sort of reason why? It was obvious after the first 30 minutes of the first game that we couldn't handle the press or keep up our own press going for long and this never changed. From the second half we were sussed and every team pressed us hard after that without their players falling over exhausted. We looked better against the Dutch because they were the only team that didn't really press us hard. Our players will have faced teams pressing them week in week out in the league so what's causing the fitness issue?
 
Chips1889 said:
Did we take the right players inthe first place Gray?
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Well I'd certainly have taken Grealish ahead of some who went Chippy. Leaving out a game changer doesn't make sense to me especially when some of the players chosen ahead of him didn't play or hardly played.
 
Grayblade said:
No chance of this lot being remembered TT.
I think it's shameful that Kane also used the 'tired' excuse without offering up any sort of reason why? It was obvious after the first 30 minutes of the first game that we couldn't handle the press or keep up our own press going for long and this never changed. From the second half we were sussed and every team pressed us hard after that without their players falling over exhausted. We looked better against the Dutch because they were the only team that didn't really press us hard. Our players will have faced teams pressing them week in week out in the league so what's causing the fitness issue?
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For all the badge kissing, the 'never been so proud, when pulling the shirt on I reckon they just don't have the same desire or drive to bust a gut for England.
At their level their future, their monetary security is assured and it often looked liked what it is to them- a chore eating away their free time.
And I can't imagine good old Gareth inspires them much with inspirational, life changing words.

BTW - just this minute seen he's resigned.

Thank God
 
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