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These arrests relate to terrible crimes committed between 10 and 15 years ago; so, what you have to ask yourself is whether similar crimes are still being committed and what about the other crimes of sexual misconduct taking place that you and VG and co choose to ignore because they're not committed by men of Pakistani heritage. Both of you have said that it's effectively in the DNA of muslims to perpetrate these horrible acts because of what is written in the koran. Yet I name some prominent muslims who are not taxi drivers etc of Pakistani heritage and you seem to turn into a shrinking violet, racist ****!
Why do you think that all these crimes stopped dead 10 / 15 years ago and aren't still being committed?

I get a very uneasy feeling reading your posts on this issue.
 
Is there seriously anybody, who believes that the grooming and abuse of vulnerable girls and young women began with muslims in this country. Where do you think all the sex workers sprang from and why do you think they lead such short, chaotic lives? We have never paid enough attention to vulnerable children in our communities still less those we purport to care for collectively.

" Political correctness caused young girls to get raped by gangs."

Good heavens I never realised it was so simple. I looked and thought:

We hastened the end of our traditional industries and neglected to reinvest in the areas and people, that had generated their wealth.

We stood and jeered at towns and areas like Rotherham calling them shitholes that no one would want to visit let alone live in.

By extension all those, who did live in such areas became trash and we allowed ourselves a little casual racism on the way. The asians were responsible for the decline of these once proud British places. Suddenly we were free of our responsibility for the misery.

We were on a roll now and could generalise. Whole classes of citizens could be demonized and reduced to less than human in the public mind. Chavs, slags, the under class had no value and no values. There was no end to this fun and we moved to blaming the feckless parents for raising feral children at our expense. And so we watched a tide of hopelessness, drug taking and petty crime take hold and all we did was point and condemn.

We had the main ingredients and now and only needed to brew the mixture. Allow and encourage some of our own bad attitudes to seep into law enforcement and encourage victim blaming of women in cases of sexual assault. They were pissed, improperly dressed, loud, thick whatever and finally all that is needed is to marry the filth with the victim who deserved it and we had literally created a group of girls and young women, who would not be believed.

Not content with all that we hamstrung our police and local government with cuts and targets, which did not include the guarding of the young and vulnerable . Alongside all this we colluded in the forming of ghettoes both physical and of the mind. By heavens we need some excuses for our criminal negligence.

Oh and all this went on while the far right was utterly uninterested in what was going on. Their interest and exploitation came much later.
 
Why do you think that all these crimes stopped dead 10 / 15 years ago and aren't still being committed?

I get a very uneasy feeling reading your posts on this issue.
What I'm uneasy about is the fact the crimes you hold so dear are only the tip of the iceberg in terms of child and sex abuse but you concentrate on crimes committed a decade or more ago by men of Pakistani heritage to the exclusion of all other offences of a similar nature. Because you have this racist myopic view, it probably hasn't occurred to you that: [1] those responsible for past misdemeanours are being brought to book under the full weight of the law and [2] all agencies involved are fully aware and are constantly monitoring the situation. While you and VG wank off on those terrible horrific crimes of the past, only to-day it is reported that children are subject to abuse through online activity but yiu choose to ignore them and the victims. In fact, you both ignore the victims of the past crimes because your only concern is spewing vile racist hatred against men of Pakistani heritage.
 
I never realised that so many Catholic priests were Muslims.

(Surely off-topic but ....?)

Surely the difference is .....
There is little evidence of Catholic paedophile priests getting together and "sharing round" their victims.
By contrast, there does appear to be evidence of perpetrators, mostly of Pakistani origins meeting each other and "sharing around" victims
??

Maajid Nawaz has no problem with noting that their appears to be a CULTURAL problem (not race or religion) with SOME Pakistanis from a particular region or social grouping - quite distinct from Pakistanis in general - or from Muslims in general.

Yet some posters here (and elsewhere) seem more interested in closing down understanding that might benefit VICTIMS.
So they use unfounded or generalised accusations of "waycism" - which has the effect of providing a shield for PERPETRATORS.

p.s. What has this got to do with Brexit ?
 
'Is there seriously anybody, who believes that the grooming and abuse of vulnerable girls and young women began with muslims in this country'

Yes , type 1 grooming gangs they are called.
Type 2 grooming gangs tend to include perpetrators of all backgrounds , but Type 1 is mainly Islamic.
 
(Surely off-topic but ....?)

Surely the difference is .....
There is little evidence of Catholic paedophile priests getting together and "sharing round" their victims.
By contrast, there does appear to be evidence of perpetrators, mostly of Pakistani origins meeting each other and "sharing around" victims
??

Maajid Nawaz has no problem with noting that their appears to be a CULTURAL problem (not race or religion) with SOME Pakistanis from a particular region or social grouping - quite distinct from Pakistanis in general - or from Muslims in general.

Yet some posters here (and elsewhere) seem more interested in closing down understanding that might benefit VICTIMS.
So they use unfounded or generalised accusations of "waycism" - which has the effect of providing a shield for PERPETRATORS.

p.s. What has this got to do with Brexit ?

What's it got to do with brexit ?
If Merkel hadn't let in over a million undocumented Muslims , there probably wouldn't have been a vote for leave !
 
Germany has no problem with free movement of EU citizens .....

It's not the "free movement" that people have a problem with.
It's when people STOP moving - i.e. settle in a country - in millions - pushing up house prices, pressuring public services and transport.

Historically, Germany's population is much more evenly spread, north, south etc - and density is much less than the UK.

But WK .... "Germany has no problem ...." may be wrong anyway.
Increasing numbers of Germans believe that migration numbers should be limited.
 
'Is there seriously anybody, who believes that the grooming and abuse of vulnerable girls and young women began with muslims in this country'

Yes , type 1 grooming gangs they are called.
Type 2 grooming gangs tend to include perpetrators of all backgrounds , but Type 1 is mainly Islamic.

Your argument is circular and irrational and begins with an erronoeus assertion. This Type 1 stuff is a new form of words to describe an old problem. If you wish to use that term do not think it then proves a case. By this definition Type 1 grooming gags have been recruiting young girls for prostitution for centuries.

My late father was a great lover of racial stereotyping and would often talk of Maltese pimps abusing English girls to recruit them. The papers at that time revelled in such stuff. The Maltese were not the first and will not be the last.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messina_Brothers

Meanwhile British gangs have always been involved in the trade doing their unpleasant work and only coming surfacing when individual cases were prosecuted. No one ever called them Christian, or white. I have no interest in doing so but can you imagine if I relentlessly scoured the news in order to record every sexual crime committed by a white person and then posted it up here complaining that the media weren't joining the dots.

There is ample evidence that priests operated in an organised way and shared victims over many years. You only have to look at the latest revelation of priests controlling a whole institution of nuns for virtual sexual slavery to understand the organisation of evil. Human beings are capable of extreme depravity regardless of race, class, ethnicity, or religion.

No one pretends that we do not have much work to do on the attitudes and behaviour of some muslim men towards women and girls. If we seek to blame the entire problem of abuse on them we protect a whole army of other abusers and desert their victims.
 
I have a genuine question: Despite not wanting to leave the EU myself, I do actually agree that, because of the vote, the UK will need to leave - and not just in name only (although how this can be done without there needing to be a border between the UK and Ireland seems pretty insoluble - besides the point here).
But, if a no-deal situation is to happen, can someone explain the seemingly fanatical devotion to the idea that it cannot be delayed even for a moment; whether or not the physical infrastructure, staff, IT systems, 'replacement' trade agreements with non-EU countries etc. are actually in place?

PA. Thank you for your questions

1) Irish border.
Why do you think there "needs" to be a so-called "hard" border?
With the Govts of UK, RoI and the EU all saying they oppose a "hard" border ...
... "who" is going to build border posts ... and "why" ?

The Norway / Sweden border provides an example of dozens of unmanned border crossings (plenty of articles about it)

Borders generally
The idea that WTO terms means a country "must" check all shipments is nonsense.
Each country can choose to inspect as many or as few shipments as it wants.

And the bosses of HMRC, Dover and Calais Ports - the Mayors of Calais, and Pas-de-Calais Region have all said they plan "no additional checks" on UK/EU shipments.

So where are these delays going to come from ?
Can someone name the the UK Minister who plans to delay medicines or food ?

which leads to ....
2) " the idea that (Brexit) cannot be delayed ........ whether or not the physical infrastructure .....(etc) is in place"

Two main answers - one on "border infrastructure" - the other on tariffs

Why is more infrastructure "needed" ?
i) Currently, inspections are mostly from 1% to 3% of shipments, depending on origin - so not inspecting is the default.

ii) As above, "who" is going to make additional border checks - and "why" ?
(There is no "must" about checks)

iii) If anyone does propose additional checks, increasingly inspections are done away from borders - either at inland customs facilities - or at destinations.

ZERO tariffs can continue - under WTO Article 24 (b) (c) - for up to 10 years - while UK/EU negotiations continue.

In short:
- WTO is familiar to HMRC and many businesses - so no surprises and no "cliff-edges". :yes:

- WTO Art. 24 allows for "business-as-usual" :yes:

So where is the need to delay Brexit ?
 
Tarian, the Norway Sweden border is hardly a workable example as there is regulatory alignment between Norway and Sweden. Why do you persist in ignoring obvious and verifiable facts ?

There are plenty of experts including those who actually work for the WTO that have pointed out that Article 24 has never been intended to allow tariffs to be set aside why you try to sort out a trade deal. It was intended to be a very temporary measure that would enable an already agreed trade deal to be implemented before full sign off.

On immigration, study after study has shown that immigrants come to work. If they come from within the EU we can send them back if they are not in employment within 6 months. A rule we have never taken advantage of. If there is work immigrants will come, without work they won't.
 
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'Is there seriously anybody, who believes that the grooming and abuse of vulnerable girls and young women began with muslims in this country'

Yes , type 1 grooming gangs they are called.
Type 2 grooming gangs tend to include perpetrators of all backgrounds , but Type 1 is mainly Islamic.
Mental racist! Type 1 is Gel Boy's racist definition
 
How many people is "too many" ?
70 million, 80 million ?

When should this population Ponzi scheme end ?
Although the birthrate in the UK is falling, which doesn't auger well for the future as the population ages, at around 750,000 pa it won't take long to reach 70 or 80 million unless, of course, you'd like to introduce euthanasia or enforced sterilisation. No doubt those numbers will come from immigrants rather than the indigenous population. In post-Brexit UK, it is recognised that immigration will persist but, instead of being mainly from the EU, who are significantly transient, many will come from the Commonwealth and will sue to stay in the UK once here.
 
Your argument is circular and irrational and begins with an erronoeus assertion. This Type 1 stuff is a new form of words to describe an old problem. If you wish to use that term do not think it then proves a case. By this definition Type 1 grooming gags have been recruiting young girls for prostitution for centuries.

My late father was a great lover of racial stereotyping and would often talk of Maltese pimps abusing English girls to recruit them. The papers at that time revelled in such stuff. The Maltese were not the first and will not be the last.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messina_Brothers

Meanwhile British gangs have always been involved in the trade doing their unpleasant work and only coming surfacing when individual cases were prosecuted. No one ever called them Christian, or white. I have no interest in doing so but can you imagine if I relentlessly scoured the news in order to record every sexual crime committed by a white person and then posted it up here complaining that the media weren't joining the dots.

There is ample evidence that priests operated in an organised way and shared victims over many years. You only have to look at the latest revelation of priests controlling a whole institution of nuns for virtual sexual slavery to understand the organisation of evil. Human beings are capable of extreme depravity regardless of race, class, ethnicity, or religion.

No one pretends that we do not have much work to do on the attitudes and behaviour of some muslim men towards women and girls. If we seek to blame the entire problem of abuse on them we protect a whole army of other abusers and desert their victims.

'By this definition Type 1 grooming gags have been recruiting young girls for prostitution for centuries'

That's not true , these organised crimes committed by (mostly) Islamic gangs commenced in the 1970's.
Shared around amongst brothers , cousins , any male they knew ?
Previous criminal trials , also show us that they are racially/religiously aggravated ,with what was said to the victims , and the torture they suffered.
 
'By this definition Type 1 grooming gags have been recruiting young girls for prostitution for centuries'

That's not true , these organised crimes committed by (mostly) Islamic gangs commenced in the 1970's.
Shared around amongst brothers , cousins , any male they knew ?
Previous criminal trials , also show us that they are racially/religiously aggravated ,with what was said to the victims , and the torture they suffered.
Next you'll be saying the world was created 5,000 years ago.