EU strategy to destroy the Chequers ‘agreement’...

[shotshy]

I scoured every paper this morning, looking for the 20 mile tailbacks at Dover.
None.
Project Fear or incompetence ?

I also checked the exchange rates given that Goldman Sachs told us that after the transition period ended, the GBP would be on par with the Dollar and Euro.
today - 1.40 for the dollar and 1.16 for the Euro
Project Fear or incompetence ?

I looked for evidence of the demise of the City of London and stumbled across this

"Almost 1,500 EU-based financial services firms have applied for permission to operate in the UK, with around 1,000 of these planning to establish their first office in the country, according to a Freedom of Information request (FOI) by financial regulatory consultancy Bovill. The FOI request from last year showed 1,441 firms had applied to the Temporary Permission Regime (TPR), with 83 percent of these on a services passport, meaning they would need to set up an office in the UK for the first time. Bovill repeated its FOI at the end of December, which found 1,476 firms have signed up to the regime and are awaiting FCA authorisation in order to operate in the UK. "
Project Fear or incompetence ?

I fully expect a remainer to counter this with ... but .. but a cheesemaker somewhere had said he's moving ten jobs to France.

The point really is, that so many have been suckered by 'experts' peddling Project Fear for years, and virtually none of their 'predictions' have come to fruition.

 

[GillsBluenose]

It was always patently clear that there will be losers both sides of the channel and winners both sides of the channel.

Brexit may be the reason why some businesses will go to the wall if they do not adapt, but that happens organically anyway. Look at the mighty Philip Green or, more generally, the high street. Look at what Covid has done to business in Europe.

No huge pots of gold or sunlit uplands in the short term, but also no disaster or armageddon.

No real point in trying to decide whether Brexit has been a success for business until two or three years along the road.

No doubting that it has been a success politically and in the interests of independence though.

 

[markinkent]

I scoured every paper this morning, looking for the 20 mile tailbacks

The point really is, that so many have been suckered by 'experts' peddling Project Fear for years, and virtually none of their 'predictions' have come to fruition.

Far too early to be drawing conclusions shotshy.

No queues so far as freight traffic is lighter due to pre brexit stockpiling. Lets see what the next few months bring as we activate all the checks

It is harder to import/export and it costs more. Just facts our company has experienced.

In time we will see if the cost of weekly shop increases that's what will count for most of us.

Much of it will be smoke and mirrors and hard to decipher the spin form whichever side chooses to.

Each of us will have to see how it affects us good and bad but far too early to tell right now.

 

[jogills]

Forget the bigger picture, Dover, the city and the greater economy. My wine hasn't arrived from Portugal! New paperwork, admin and tax arrangements meant many orders returned to Portugal. Rui Lopez has apologised, doing his best but this is real world stuff. If I can't get stollen at Christmas there will be civil unrest.

 

[Rob_b100]

I fully expect a remainer to counter this with ... but .. but a cheesemaker somewhere had said he's moving ten jobs to France.

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Blessed are the cheese makers, for they will inherit the earth.......

 

[Gills 58]

I scoured every paper this morning, looking for the 20 mile tailbacks at Dover.
None.
Project Fear or incompetence ?

I also checked the exchange rates given that Goldman Sachs told us that after the transition period ended, the GBP would be on par with the Dollar and Euro.
today - 1.40 for the dollar and 1.16 for the Euro
Project Fear or incompetence ?

I looked for evidence of the demise of the City of London and stumbled across this

"Almost 1,500 EU-based financial services firms have applied for permission to operate in the UK, with around 1,000 of these planning to establish their first office in the country, according to a Freedom of Information request (FOI) by financial regulatory consultancy Bovill. The FOI request from last year showed 1,441 firms had applied to the Temporary Permission Regime (TPR), with 83 percent of these on a services passport, meaning they would need to set up an office in the UK for the first time. Bovill repeated its FOI at the end of December, which found 1,476 firms have signed up to the regime and are awaiting FCA authorisation in order to operate in the UK. "
Project Fear or incompetence ?

I fully expect a remainer to counter this with ... but .. but a cheesemaker somewhere had said he's moving ten jobs to France.

The point really is, that so many have been suckered by 'experts' peddling Project Fear for years, and virtually none of their 'predictions' have come to fruition.

I was waiting for this. Lol. Haven't bothered with the bad news stories after Brexit. I don't feel the need to try to prove I was right like you seem desperate to do.

Fishing industry doing great I hear. After all, a big part of this farce was to "save them". A flag waving con.

 

[Gills 58]

As you brought up exchange rates I looked up the rates for Dec 2015, shortly before our national own goal.
1.52 to the Dollar
1.35 to theEuro
Embarrassed?
Or do you think lower is better?

 

[shotshy]

As you brought up exchange rates I looked up the rates for Dec 2015, shortly before our national own goal.
1.52 to the Dollar
1.35 to theEuro
Embarrassed?
Or do you think lower is better?

Lol 😂
I only bought it up because your lot predicted Armageddon.
Fishing, as everything else will sort itself out in time.
The fishing industry down my way is doing just fine.
The only victims, it appears, are the wholesalers who swept up all the products for export.
Apparently, there was no market in the U.K..
We went to Appledore last Thursday and the queue was pretty long, to buy directly.
£12 for two kilos of local mussels is good value.

 

[GillsBluenose]

As you brought up exchange rates I looked up the rates for Dec 2015, shortly before our national own goal.
1.52 to the Dollar
1.35 to theEuro
Embarrassed?
Or do you think lower is better?

FE markets all about uncertainty and confidence while the Brexit wreckers were creating their obstacles. Rates have been a lot lower (which is not all negative as makes our exports more competitive) but now heading back in the direction of those 2015 rates.

 

[Gills 58]

Lol 😂
I only bought it up because your lot predicted Armageddon.
Fishing, as everything else will sort itself out in time.
The fishing industry down my way is doing just fine.
The only victims, it appears, are the wholesalers who swept up all the products for export.
Apparently, there was no market in the U.K..
We went to Appledore last Thursday and the queue was pretty long, to buy directly.
£12 for two kilos of local mussels is good value.

I haven't bothered reading beyond your first sentence and the "your lot - Armageddon"

My point is that two of you on this board are constantly dragging up the issue in a patently obvious attempt to try to justify the result. Remainers were criticised for not accepting the result. Well we've shut up about it and are hoping for the best. You two keep dragging it up. I could easily mention loads of problems but it is pointless. We are where we are and need to move on.

Your constant attempts at point scoring smack of insecurity. It does make me smile though and in these grim times perhaps I should be grateful.

 

[ThreeSixes]

😁

That made me chuckle. 14k posts on this thread on over 700+ pages, and he's referring to one side "point scoring" and "dragging up the issue"!

 

[GillsBluenose]

I haven't bothered reading beyond your first sentence and the "your lot - Armageddon"
My point is that two of you on this board are constantly dragging up the issue in a patently obvious attempt to try to justify the result. Remainers were criticised for not accepting the result. Well we've shut up about it and are hoping for the best.

HaHa. I suggest you go back to Rotherhithe's post number 13980 on 7th February which was the first "on subject" post since 16th January - a three week gap.

It reads "Afraid the sad consequences are going to be with us for ever"

That is just an example and it may not be you 58, but it is always a remainer that restarts the debate by presenting (at best) their prediction or (at worst) bullshit, as fact. All we do is point that out in response, and say why.

As Shotshy rightly points out, this transition period should be the time when problems occur but very few have, and there have even been some unexpected positives like the local sales of fish direct to the customer, cutting out wholesalers who have previously spirited stocks straight to Europe.

 

[shotshy]

I haven't bothered reading beyond your first sentence and the "your lot - Armageddon"

My point is that two of you on this board are constantly dragging up the issue in a patently obvious attempt to try to justify the result. Remainers were criticised for not accepting the result. Well we've shut up about it and are hoping for the best. You two keep dragging it up. I could easily mention loads of problems but it is pointless. We are where we are and need to move on.

Your constant attempts at point scoring smack of insecurity. It does make me smile though and in these grim times perhaps I should be grateful.

The reason that I put- your lot- Armageddon is because that is precisely what your lot were predicting.
Going all the way back to pre referendum days, those opposed to leaving the Eu have predicted nothing but doom and gloom for this country.
It’s an inconvenient truth but the truth nonetheless.
Even our old resident expert WayneKerr took great pleasure in stating that we would be on par with Somalia.

It would be gracious if hard core remainers (not you 58) could no just come clean and publicly admit that they were wrong, pretty much about everything to do with Brexit.
From the result to the outcome.

 

[RotherhitheGill]

Still stand by my comment "Afraid the sad consequences are going to be with us for ever" because unfortunately it's true.

If the best you can come up with is that local fisherman are now selling their catch to local people it's a little bit sad. If it's such a good transaction, why were they not doing it before, and I do wonder how long it will last for until the novelty wears off?

 

[ThreeSixes]

The best pro-leave argument for the last 2 months is surely the vaccine rollout? Someone on this forum (he has "gills" in his username, plus a number) predicted that efficient Germany would overtake UK in vaccination numbers within 3 weeks!

 

[GillsBluenose]

If the best you can come up with is that local fisherman are now selling their catch to local people it's a little bit sad.

It is only a small green shoot. I don't think Shotshy is saying otherwise but I find it much sadder that automatic export and import of similar goods has never been questioned before, and the public have mainly been oblivious to it.

Awareness of the previous madness is growing. In this case, the customs problems being faced by the Wholesale fish exporters has shown that the UK public has not had proper access to its own produce before it disappears on yet another articulated lorry headed for Dover, passing another lorry with food products from the EU spewing out its diesel fumes.

As for "the best you can come up with", it is strange how the fishing industry seems to grow and shrink in importance, depending on how remainers wish to use it.

When a free trade deal looked liked falling through, their agenda was the fact that our fishing industry only accounts for 0.1% of the economy. Hence, not important and we should make concessions rather than risk losing the deal.

When a deal was reached with some mainly time related concessions, we had apparently shamefully sold our fishing industry down the river (pun intended). Suddenly important again.

The green shoots of an industry switching back towards domestic self sufficiency is apparently and suddenly of little importance again.

 

[GillsBluenose]

The best pro-leave argument for the last 2 months is surely the vaccine rollout? Someone on this forum (he has "gills" in his username, plus a number) predicted that efficient Germany would overtake UK in vaccination numbers within 3 weeks!

No doubt that would have been true, knowing the efficient way the Germans normally work. Unfortunately for them, their actions are still tied by 26 other rubber stamps that are more like lead weights.

 

[Jerryattrick]

Efficient socialism (our nhs/local health plus our army) is the success story not brexit.

 

[jogills]

UK vaccine programme great but lay off the crowing. They will catch up and other stories will come into play. It's not like WW2, we can't ride this one forever. It wasn't a brexit success, not everything revolves around that. I fancy the real brexit successes and failures haven't even been dreamt of yet.

 

[Baghdad_Rob]

As you brought up exchange rates I looked up the rates for Dec 2015, shortly before our national own goal.
1.52 to the Dollar
1.35 to theEuro
Embarrassed?
Or do you think lower is better?

Is £1 = $1.52 actually better than £1 = $1.40 in your mind then?