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It looks as if we are going to roll over the Canada-EU trade deal, which is good news. Let's hope we conclude rolling over the rest of the EU deals. Once we get an agreement with the EU, we can all get on with our lives as if nothing of significance has actually changed
 

The Roone

Vital Squad Member
The EU negotiators are renowned for taking talks down to the wire, and it is what is going on this time. Everyone seems to want a deal, but there are not only 27 countries to approve the deal, but in some cases they to get the agreements of some regions as well. With Canadian deal the ratification was held up by the Walloons in Belgium over one item, i believe it was about cheese though I am not sure. It will only take something like that to happen this time for it all to go belly up.
 

jokerman

Vital 1st Team Regular
I read today that this deal does not need all the states to sign on, and that an EU level agreement is possible. If that is so, why it is so I have not a clue. I also read that translating it into everyone's languages (ie French) in time may also pose a problem).
 

GillsBluenose

Vital 1st Team Regular
The last two links are exactly why the government have the Internal Market Bill as a belt and braces, should the Eu attempt to block NI businesses from bringing in supplies.
It may well piss a lot of people off, but that’s our choice, not their’s.
Yes. These cases could not make the reason for the Internal Market Bill any clearer.

Northern Ireland is now only part of one union and that is with mainland Britain. It is no longer part of the EU so it would be ludicrous to create a border or have checks within its own union for the sake of an outside union to which it does not belong.
 

shotshy

Vital 1st Team Regular
Erm... ...isn’t that exactly what the withdrawal agreement did?
Which is exactly why the Internal Market Bill will come in to U.K. law if necessary.
It now appears clear that the U.K. signed up to the WA is a means of moving the process on. Nothing more, nothing less.
The Eu seems to think that they have an international, legally binding treaty, keeping the U.K. under their jurisdiction.
The U.K. have seen it as a means to an end.
 

Trashbat

Vital Squad Member
Which is exactly why the Internal Market Bill will come in to U.K. law if necessary.
It now appears clear that the U.K. signed up to the WA is a means of moving the process on. Nothing more, nothing less.
The Eu seems to think that they have an international, legally binding treaty, keeping the U.K. under their jurisdiction.
The U.K. have seen it as a means to an end.
Or a means of breaking all the promises we already signed up to.
 

Trashbat

Vital Squad Member
It looks as if we are going to roll over the Canada-EU trade deal, which is good news. Let's hope we conclude rolling over the rest of the EU deals. Once we get an agreement with the EU, we can all get on with our lives as if nothing of significance has actually changed
A billion pounds well spent. We can finally show those beaurocrats in Brussels that we can go in our own direction and get exactly what they got us already but without their help! Well worth bankrupting our future for! Take that Johnny Foreigner! Who looks stupid now?
 

GillsBluenose

Vital 1st Team Regular
A billion pounds well spent. We can finally show those beaurocrats in Brussels that we can go in our own direction and get exactly what they got us already but without their help! Well worth bankrupting our future for! Take that Johnny Foreigner! Who looks stupid now?
Depends on whether you think a trillion euro bailout also makes the mighty Brussels look stupid. How long will that take to pay back? Will that not bankrupt young Europeans' future?

Their help? with an additional helping of interference and control as usual, continuing with an attempt to deny us our basic sovereignty and independence in free trade talks, hence why the Internal Market Bill is being passed when it should never have been necessary.

It is either stupidity or arrogance. You decide.
 

GillsBluenose

Vital 1st Team Regular
Isn't it strange how all these nations are happy to roll over their EU trade deals with the little 'ol UK.

There was I thinking that it was only the might and size of the EU market that allowed them to get such favourable terms.
 

shotshy

Vital 1st Team Regular
I fear that our friend Trashbat is starting to make himself look a little bit ridiculous now, just as WayneKerr did.
You don’t agree with leaving the Eu.
Fine.
We get that.
But we have.
To attempt to ridicule the roll over deals that the U.K. has done doesn’t make any sense.

Remember, WayneKerr said it couldn’t be done.
It would take ten years to renegotiate all the existing deals and he laughed when I said it was all in the pipeline.
I expect like a hardcore few, he would still find a negative.
Before the end of the transition period, every single roll over deal that the U.K. wants will be completed.
There are some where we are looking for more favourable terms in the new year.
Then, onto the big wide world of operating like a normal country.
 
I fear that our friend Trashbat is starting to make himself look a little bit ridiculous now, just as WayneKerr did.
You don’t agree with leaving the Eu.
Fine.
We get that.
But we have.
To attempt to ridicule the roll over deals that the U.K. has done doesn’t make any sense.

Remember, WayneKerr said it couldn’t be done.
It would take ten years to renegotiate all the existing deals and he laughed when I said it was all in the pipeline.
I expect like a hardcore few, he would still find a negative.
Before the end of the transition period, every single roll over deal that the U.K. wants will be completed.
There are some where we are looking for more favourable terms in the new year.
Then, onto the big wide world of operating like a normal country.
Something like 20% of what is currently been covered by free trade deals has currently been carried forward. Some of those agreed include huge health warnings that they are, in themselves, subject to the UK reaching a deal with the EU, e.g. Switzerland because of country of origin rules and alignment of standards.
 

shotshy

Vital 1st Team Regular
Something like 20% of what is currently been covered by free trade deals has currently been carried forward. Some of those agreed include huge health warnings that they are, in themselves, subject to the UK reaching a deal with the EU, e.g. Switzerland because of country of origin rules and alignment of standards.
But the Eu and U.K. will do a free trade deal, either shortly or very soon after.
Neither can afford to lose free access to each other’s markets.

Then, there is RCEP and the USA to speak with.
The future for the U.K. is potentially very bright.
 
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markinkent

Vital 1st Team Regular
But the Eu and U.K. will do a free trade deal, either shortly or very soon after.
Neither can afford to lose free access to each other’s markets.

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The unknown is whether the EU are prepared to risk the further break up of the EU by offering the UK the prize of free access to the single market. If we have access for nothing other countries might ask for the same deal.

The EU might decide protecting the EU might be worth the pain of tariffs. It will hurt us more as they can still trade freely with each other.
 

shotshy

Vital 1st Team Regular
The unknown is whether the EU are prepared to risk the further break up of the EU by offering the UK the prize of free access to the single market. If we have access for nothing other countries might ask for the same deal.

The EU might decide protecting the EU might be worth the pain of tariffs. It will hurt us more as they can still trade freely with each other.
Well, they were quite happy to offer free access to Japan, South Korea and Canada plus numerous others and they don’t import to our level.
If fact nothing like it.
Their loss.
They can ask North Macedonia to pick up the slack.
But the reality is, it will happen, now the penny has actually dropped.
 

GillsBluenose

Vital 1st Team Regular
The unknown is whether the EU are prepared to risk the further break up of the EU by offering the UK the prize of free access to the single market. If we have access for nothing other countries might ask for the same deal.
The EU might decide protecting the EU might be worth the pain of tariffs. It will hurt us more as they can still trade freely with each other.
They will not be offering access to the single market as presumably both sides will be introducing some customs checks on imports/exports that were previously unnecessary and obviously we will no longer have the "benefit" of free movement of labour. They are what the EU regard as the "prizes" that membership still includes.

As Shotshy says, all we are looking for is a mutually beneficial free trade deal, and lots of countries have obtained those with the EU.
 

markinkent

Vital 1st Team Regular
Well, they were quite happy to offer free access to Japan, South Korea and Canada plus numerous others and they don’t import to our level.
If fact nothing like it.
Their loss.
They can ask North Macedonia to pick up the slack.
But the reality is, it will happen, now the penny has actually dropped.
Yeah but none of those were ex- members who "broke away".

We have stopped paying in huge sums in to the EU coffers there really is no way we can expect to trade on the same terms. What's the point of the membership fee .

It may be mutually beneficial from a trade perspective but can't be acceptable from an EU political/solidarity perspective to let us have the same benefits without "paying in". Does that happen in any club ?
 

GillsBluenose

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Yeah but none of those were ex- members who "broke away".
We have stopped paying in huge sums in to the EU coffers there really is no way we can expect to trade on the same terms. What's the point of the membership fee
It may be mutually beneficial from a trade perspective but can't be acceptable from an EU political/solidarity perspective to let us have the same benefits without "paying in". Does that happen in any club ?
Actually, from a moral point of views we should be MORE entitled to a free trade deal, on the basis that we have been paying our subs for 40 odd years whereas Japan, Canada and South Korea have paid exactly zilch.

Hard to say that a free trade deal is a benefit when the current trade imbalance would mean that if tariffs are introduced, they will apply to far more EU manufactured products than UK manufactured products. Free trade is therefore almost certainly more of benefit to the EU in monetary terms.

You have hit the nail on the head regarding the EU's attitude though. This issue shows that they are more of a political institution than a commercial one, hence why they are putting trade benefits behind points scoring.