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EU strategy to destroy the Chequers ‘agreement’...

I've yet to hear any arguments from a Brexiter as to why/how/when we'll be better off that's based in evidence or on research from reliable sources.
You will not because Brexiters are honest. Unless you are a time traveller or have a reliable crystal ball, there can be no evidence or reliable research, just predictions which so far have been mainly based on either a worst case scenario or the short term position.
 
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May's deal is shite and is not the only deal; it's the only deal if we're bound by her ridiculous red lines. Postpone Article 50 and negotiate a proper deal.
In hindsight, what would have made sense would have been to start negotiating a purely free Trade deal with the EU, beneficial to both sides, as soon as the referendum result was known, side by side with untangling ourselves from the membership rules, etc.

That is all we need, nothing else, and if it does take years as WK insists, we would be two and a half years down the line rather than still talking about it as the next stage now. But of course that wouldn't be "procedure" would it?

All this postponing is just kicking the can down the road and creating the short term difficulties we and the EU will face.
 

Jerryattrick

Vital Squad Member
The' left-leaning' CBI warns that a No-deal [VG's favourite] could well lead an 8% shrinkage of the UK's GDP and the knock-on effect of that along with reduced tax revenues could be catastrophic. I guess GBN would prefer the words of Brexiteers who think jumping to WTO terms will be falling off a log/cliff.

May's deal is shite and is not the only deal; it's the only deal if we're bound by her ridiculous red lines. Postpone Article 50 and negotiate a proper deal.
Apart from the backstop which ‘should never happen’ what exactly is so bad about this deal that only allows a smooth exit during the transition to an actual trade deal?
 

Therealwaldo

Vital Squad Member
Gillsbluenose, you haven’t really being following events have you. Firstly, the EU made it quite clear that they wouldn’t discuss a trade deal until we had agreed the terms of the divorce settlement and until we had actually left. So your proposition that we should have negotiated a trade deal as soon as we triggered Article 50 is patent nonsense.
 

Jerryattrick

Vital Squad Member
Also there is nothing stopping us discussing (not signing) future trade deals with other countries. Although the ‘ex head of eu trade negotions and head of the wto’ told the commons Brexit committeee that other non eu countries will not do anything until they know the deal between the uk and eu.
 
Gillsbluenose, you haven’t really being following events have you. Firstly, the EU made it quite clear that they wouldn’t discuss a trade deal until we had agreed the terms of the divorce settlement and until we had actually left. So your proposition that we should have negotiated a trade deal as soon as we triggered Article 50 is patent nonsense.
No it isn't really, is it? You have hit the nail on the head. As ever, the obstacle has been placed by who? The EU. Surprise, Surprise.

Jerryattrick's comment "Apart from the backstop which ‘should never happen’ what exactly is so bad about this deal that only allows a smooth exit during the transition to an actual trade deal? " Well, Einstein, if the EU say the Backstop will not be a problem once an EU trade deal is signed BUT the UK will be stuck like a Hostage in the Customs Union for ever in the event that a fair trade deal can not be agreed, who does that give all the advantage to when negotiating that EU Trade Deal?

Try and work that one out but pardon me if I do not hold my breath while you do so.
 
What do you mean by this term?
Trading free of tariffs for mutual benefit. There is no point going over old ground about the Import/Export imbalance between the UK and EU as we will never agree but, purely on monetary grounds, tit for tat tariffs suit nobody but the respective Exchequers/Treasuries/Protectionists.
 
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Oh hang on - we’re already in a free trade deal. Is GBN arguing for Remain?
I think you can keep that sort of free trade deal with the ball and chain of open door immigration, legal submission and pocket picking. That price is what euro scepticism and ultimately Brexit is all about but the EU do not get it.
 
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