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EU strategy to destroy the Chequers ‘agreement’...

valenciagill said:
The left and msm seem to be excited tonight.
Clutching at any straw within reach.
May's deal or no deal
Welcome to reality
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There will not be a no-deal; only idiots would accede to such a crazy notion. Even the hardline Brexiteers want some sort of deal.
 
Rumours are that a general election will be called for 4th April. Meaning MPs won't be sitting in parliament on Brexit day. No idea what it means, Wayne?
 
When Parliament is dissolved, ahead of a General Election, there are no MPs to sit, stand or run. So if it's more than a rumour, you're correct.
 
Sounds like BS to me but happy to be wrong. Perhaps Corbyn will awake from his coma and get his arse into gear again. I fear he peaked at the last election and the Tories surely can't be as inept in their campaign again unless Grayling is put in charge.
 
Wayne.Kerr said:
When Parliament is dissolved, ahead of a General Election, there are no MPs to sit, stand or run. So if it's more than a rumour, you're correct.
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Oh right, so what would that mean for brexit as that's what it's aimed at apparently? I agree with 58, and it's BS. We've had enough of that lol
 
The default come 29th March is No Deal Brexit. If/when May loses this meaningful vote do you honestly think we’ll get an alternative in before 29th March? Do you think all EU members will agree to any extension, even if a GE is called?

I honestly don’t have a fucking clue what could go on here.
 
Trev_GFC said:
The default come 29th March is No Deal Brexit. If/when May loses this meaningful vote do you honestly think we’ll get an alternative in before 29th March? Do you think all EU members will agree to any extension, even if a GE is called?

I honestly don’t have a fucking clue what could go on here.
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Trev , time is running out to reverse the Act of Leaving the EU. ( It's not just a vote in the commons )
Teresa May has stated her position seventy odd times. The result of the referendum will be honoured. She cannot be challenged from within her own party until Dec 19.
Only TM can change things , and I believe she is determined to ( quite rightly ) deliver democracy
 
Trev_GFC said:
The default come 29th March is No Deal Brexit. If/when May loses this meaningful vote do you honestly think we’ll get an alternative in before 29th March? Do you think all EU members will agree to any extension, even if a GE is called?

I honestly don’t have a fucking clue what could go on here.
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The idea, if the rumours are true, is that all the stuff voted in yesterday, can't happen, because it's in the 17 days where the MPs can't do anything, is because parliament will be closed due to the election? Wayne needs to answer this, because to me, it is May going for a no deal brexit?
 
LSB2 said:
The idea, if the rumours are true, is that all the stuff voted in yesterday, can't happen, because it's in the 17 days where the MPs can't do anything, is because parliament will be closed due to the election? Wayne needs to answer this, because to me, it is May going for a no deal brexit?
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May holds all the important cards
 
To extend the Article 50 date does indeed require agreement of the 27; however, the UK can unilaterally revoke the Article. It's that easy VG.
 
Wayne.Kerr said:
There will not be a no-deal; only idiots would accede to such a crazy notion. Even the hardline Brexiteers want some sort of deal.
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Very true. Problem is the hardliners are not brexiteers. They are the people that are saying no renegotiation will be considered, or "this is the best deal available" and will not be moved, which is why May has no chance of getting her deal through.
 
Wayne.Kerr said:
The evil EU is at it again as it prepares "Right to Repair" Legislation to Fight Short Product Lifespans. First, these horrible people told us to have less powerful vacuum cleaners, which are now as it happens more efficient than ever before. Now we're being told that we have to buy gadgets that can be repaired; this is outrageous! Not that we make any gadgets of note in the UK.
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The EU are the body that allow and encourage live animal exports. You obviously don't see that as evil which is your choice.

Vacuum cleaners more efficient? Because they use less power? Possibly. The last 3 we have bought seem to have a lot less suction, though. Don't suppose it matters for a vacuum cleaner.

I think the reason most gadgets are thrown away rather than repaired is that the quote for repairs (unless you are a computer technician as most things are controlled by computers) is usually higher or at the least the same as for buying a new product. Unless and until that changes, it does not matter whether they "can" be repaired. They won't be.
 
GillsBluenose said:
Unless and until that changes, it does not matter whether they "can" be repaired.
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Why wouldn't you want manufacturers to be forced to provide repair manuals, affordable spares, accessibility, stop built-in obsolescence, stop authorised [costly] repair shops, make devices that can readily be unscrewed or allow any specialist to tinker with software? We don't make gadgets in this country and probably never will again; so, it's even more important we benefit from right to Repair legislation being enacted in the EU and USA. In future, we'll only be a small player in the market.
 
GillsBluenose said:
Vacuum cleaners more efficient? Because they use less power? Possibly. The last 3 we have bought seem to have a lot less suction, though. Don't suppose it matters for a vacuum cleaner.
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As Which says - you need to go for one of their best buys;

https://www.which.co.uk/reviews/vac...o-know-about-the-vacuum-cleaners-energy-label

I had my first Dyson for over 12 years - why, how or whatever? I washed the filters regularly, got spares from a man in Cliffe and took it to him once for an overhaul. Cheap as chips.
 
GillsBluenose said:
The EU are the body that allow and encourage live animal exports. You obviously don't see that as evil which is your choice.
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What on earth does this have to do with Right to Repair? As someone who wished to remain in the EU, I don't think the institution is perfect by any means.
 
Wayne.Kerr said:
Why wouldn't you want manufacturers to be forced to provide repair manuals, affordable spares, accessibility, stop built-in obsolescence, stop authorised [costly] repair shops, make devices that can readily be unscrewed or allow any specialist to tinker with software? We don't make gadgets in this country and probably never will again; so, it's even more important we benefit from right to Repair legislation being enacted in the EU and USA. In future, we'll only be a small player in the market.
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If that is the intention, then fine, but the cynic in me just sees the word specialist. To attract specialists to do the job it would have to be suitably rewarded and that will cost. Where will these specialists be based if not (costly) repair shops?

I would align it to the Government's offer of "free" Childcare to allow mothers to work. A great idea in theory but they have funded it so poorly that only a certain percentage of creches and kindergartens are signed up. In effect the government are not willing to acknowledge the going rate and the same applies to payments for social care. I suspect that the EU have not factored in a remuneration rate to attract and train these new repair specialists and, if they have, it will still not compare favourably with the purchase of new replacement goods. Let's face it, consumer goods are turned out at a very affordable price these days but are not built to last.

Regarding repair manuals to allow you make minor repairs yourself, I struggle to understand most instruction manuals these days !
 
GillsBluenose said:
If that is the intention, then fine, but the cynic in me just sees the word specialist. To attract specialists to do the job it would have to be suitably rewarded and that will cost. Where will these specialists be based if not (costly) repair shops?

I would align it to the Government's offer of "free" Childcare to allow mothers to work. A great idea in theory but they have funded it so poorly that only a certain percentage of creches and kindergartens are signed up. In effect the government are not willing to acknowledge the going rate and the same applies to payments for social care. I suspect that the EU have not factored in a remuneration rate to attract and train these new repair specialists and, if they have, it will still not compare favourably with the purchase of new replacement goods. Let's face it, consumer goods are turned out at a very affordable price these days but are not built to last.

Regarding repair manuals to allow you make minor repairs yourself, I struggle to understand most instruction manuals these days !
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Why let your cynicism and incompetence to stand in the way of others?
 
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