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NOTHING was defined; unless you can find something which determined the terms under which people would vote to leave then NOTHING was defined in terms of the process as to how we leave the EU. As I said, May's deal delivers on the referendum but it's unacceptable to many leavers; so, how do you propose the referendum is dealt with. Why not come up with a suggestion instead of sniping from the wings.

Article 50 defines how we leave the EU. Don't see a mention of a deal there?
 
Apparently the Tories are breaking down into two factions: the extremists; and the morons. In my view, this is a positive development. It holds out the possibility of a complete realignment of British politics away from the old, no longer fit for purpose, one size fits all, left-right divide. The 20th century beckons at long last, and the British political class should embrace it.
 
People are allowed to change their minds in the light of additional information being available.

True, but information is everywhere and changes day by day.

How often do you fancy a referendum? Weekly perhaps?

Who should call for it? Any student on the day they reach voting age? Any older person on their death bed?
 
NOTHING was defined; unless you can find something which determined the terms under which people would vote to leave then NOTHING was defined in terms of the process as to how we leave the EU. As I said, May's deal delivers on the referendum but it's unacceptable to many leavers; so, how do you propose the referendum is dealt with. Why not come up with a suggestion instead of sniping from the wings.


How about another vote ?
We could call it 'The People's Vote' and it could be open to ALL eligible voters.
I've even got an idea for the question.

How about
Leave the EU
Remain in the EU

All you need to do is put a cross in the box.

Then when Leave wins again, would could repeat ad infinitum until the losing side get their way.

As an aside, the PM could tour the country telling all who will listen that a vote to leave is a vote to leave the customs union and the single market. You know, a bit like the last one did.
We could even roll out some old political has beens who could tell us that the end of the world is nigh and it will all end in oblivion.

This time, we might even be able to encourage enough under 25's to pull their tired little snowflake bodies out of bed and get Mum or Dad to drive them down to the polling booth.

what do we want --- People's vote
when do we want it -- well, err! some time in the future as long as it's on a day that's convenient
 
We had a referendum without any definition and we're now in a stalemate due mainly to the fact that leavers still have different ideas as to what leave should be. So, define what leave should be - remaining is clearly defined - and allow people to choose. It's leavers who can't make up their minds. For instance, you and GBN have differing views.
 
'This time, we might even be able to encourage enough under 25's to pull their tired little snowflake bodies out of bed and get Mum or Dad to drive them down to the polling booth.'

Might start to even up the old folks being ferried to the Polling Booths !

Don't underestimate young people - what do you want - a bunch of old fossils reveling in their Brexit Paradise whilst many of our brightest research scientists go abroad as the huge amount of EU funding dwindles ?
 
My view is to leave the EU, without a WA agreement and without paying £39 billion bribe money.
After March and once outside the EU, to have a GE in which Labour wins and can start to implement some of their major socialist policies like state aid for certain industries.
That is what I mean by leave.
Hope that is plain enough for you.

For me, leave means leave.
No strings.
Just out.
 
My view is to leave the EU, without a WA agreement and without paying £39 billion bribe money.
After March and once outside the EU, to have a GE in which Labour wins and can start to implement some of their major socialist policies like state aid for certain industries.
That is what I mean by leave.
Hope that is plain enough for you.

For me, leave means leave.
No strings.
Just out.
It's no good having state aid or Lucozade if the markets aren't there, ie tariffs put up our prices and customers go elsewhere. Or, car manufacturers/Airbus migrate to the EU and take away big chunks of our industrial base let alone a reduction in tax revenues from which state aid would come.
 
'After March and once outside the EU, to have a GE in which Labour wins and can start to implement some of their major socialist policies like state aid for certain industries. '

So you think there'll be lots of Tories voting for a GE even though we have the FTPA ? They'll run it right to the end in 2022.
 
I liked this bit "While many Brits have strong emotions about the EU, they rarely have a strong understanding. I feel like a kindergarten teacher every time I speak on the issue." That's like Shotshy talking about reverting to WTO rules because he's read it but doesn't really know what's involved and GBN not aware of the implications of a trade agreement
 
As a remainer I'm so sick to death of all the threats and bullying from the EU, that if a referendum was held right now I would vote to leave.
£39 billion divorce settlement and they still want the house and custody of the children, I don't know what a hard Brexit would bring but it can't be worse than the one sided deal the EU are refusing to re-negotiate.
 
As a remainer I'm so sick to death of all the threats and bullying from the EU, that if a referendum was held right now I would vote to leave.
£39 billion divorce settlement and they still want the house and custody of the children, I don't know what a hard Brexit would bring but it can't be worse than the one sided deal the EU are refusing to re-negotiate.
That's the deal that May negotiated. She had an opportunity earlier to get a better deal but loused it up with her red lines. Remain still has to be an option because May's deal and the £39bn is not going to get through Parliament in which case we could have a no-deal, which would make £39bn look like pocket money in terms of what we'd lose trying to go it alone.
 
Nitram77, what threat from the EU ? I haven’t heard one. I’ve heard the EU sticking together in support of one of their members. We agreed in the treaties of the EU to the divorce arrangements that would apply if a state left. If we don’t comply, we’ll be in default of our treaty obligations. Do you expect to get a good trade deal against that backdrop ? The ‘negotiation’ that you seem to want us for the EU dropping the backstop effectively removing the guarantee of no hard border in Ireland. What is unreasonable is the UK continuing to believe that the EU will ever give on such a fundamental point.