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EU Referendum

The Pyrry - 27/5/2016 17:37

Of course they stay, our population is forever growing we are in the top 10 of EU countries for population growth.Yes alot of people travelled in their youth for 2 weeks every summer or a gap year. Ask people based on the south coast if they dont stay.The most popular boys name last year for new borns was Mohammed or its derivitives, these people are staying.
the Brexit officials are perhaps looking at Norway as an example a thriving economy who are not in the EU.
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Norway have had to use Free Movement of people as part of their agreement. They still pay the EU but have no say at the table.
 
Bazza1603 - 27/5/2016 18:06

I want the UK to remain in control so will be voting out.

Watch this if you thinking about staying in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMxfAkxfQ0

If you vote in we lose control of our country. No one in Europe likes us as we are different and therefore we find it hard ever to muster enough support for anything. I deal a lot with Europe and people from Spain, Italy, and Greece wish they had never joined...
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We're increasingly getting Brexiteers commenting "Watch Brexit the Movie!"... so I did.

Here's my take on it. The whole documentary is about the need for deregulation. It's fundamentally a neoliberal infomercial, painting history through the mantra of deregulation leads to growth and regulation leads to stagnation. They tell us that the EU is over-regulated, so we need to get out - and then we will economically prosper. That's the thesis. The only problem is that they have no business/ economist backing whatsoever. Instead of interviewing CEOs of Airbus, Rolls-Royce, etc (all of which have come out for Remain), the documentary interviews just the standard clique of Nigel Lawson, Daniel Hannan, James Delingpole, Nigel Farage, etc... Politicians and right-wing journalists - with Kate Hoey thrown it.

So with an economic argument fallen flat, we're left with their wrapping of "freedom" and claims to support the little man against the Euro elite. Two problems here. Firstly, a "free" Britain could not make its "own laws" all the time when dealing in the international space. So to "go global" and make all those spiffing trade deals, there needs to be agreements on regulations. That's what the single market is. Agreed standards. Right now our governments and MEPs are elected by us and vote on cross-border agreements. If we pull out - how do we get a democratic say? We don't. And we don't gain freedoms on Brexit, we lose them. We lose freedom of movement, freedom to hire from the EU visa-free, freedoms of access to the single market, freedoms associated with the working time directive potentially, rights to cross-border care potentially. What are the freedoms these Brexiteers speak of then? It is simply their own freedom to rule this country. Little people get no more freedoms as the neoliberals roll their protections away.

Finally, they blame the EU for everything - including declining fish in the sea (which, incidentally has been a problem since bottom-trawling began some 150 years ago), even peddling the myth of the Dutch trawler that takes 25% of the UK quota (a problem of allocation at the UK government level - not the EU's diktat). They also imply that all those EU regulations that swirl around us are unique in the world. They are not. In fact, the UK has its own stunning bureaucracy and love of gold-plating of EU regulations. So why aren't they attacking that? Simple - it's a bigger ideological thing. They want us to vote leave so that they can take control and pursue their glorious economic deregulation, unshackled - because you help the little person by taking away environmental, social and health protections.
 
http://infacts.org/vote-leave-lying-saying-send-eu-350-million-week/#

Oh and if we remain, we lose nothing, especially not control. It's worth understanding constitutional and administrative law before making those assumptions.
 
Good article regarding immigration and why the Tories are to blame, not the EU.

http://infacts.org/latest-migration-data-give-brexiteers-limited-ammo/
 
Bazza1603 - 27/5/2016 19:03

Big corporations would have to pay tax in the UK if we leave Europe...
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If we leave it in the hands of the Tories? Once again I think you're getting mixed up with the problems this government has brought and the EU which had nothing to do with it.
 
What did the EU ever do for the UK?

Not much, apart from:
providing 57% of our trade;
structural funding to areas hit by industrial decline;
cleaner beaches and rivers;
cleaner air;
lead-free petrol;
restrictions on landfill dumping;
a recycling culture;
cheaper mobile charges;
cheaper air travel;
improved consumer protection and food labelling;
a ban on growth hormones and other harmful food additives;
better product safety;
single market competition;
Europe-wide patent and copyright protection;
no paperwork or customs for exports throughout the single market;
price transparency and removal of commission on currency exchanges across the eurozone;
freedom to travel, live and work across Europe;
funded opportunities for young people to undertake study or work placements abroad;
access to European health services;
labour protection and enhanced social welfare;
smoke-free workplaces;
equal pay legislation;
holiday entitlement;
the right not to work more than a 48-hour week without overtime;
strongest wildlife protection in the world;
improved animal welfare in food production;
EU-funded research and industrial collaboration;
EU representation in international forums;
Strongest voice in the WTO
EU diplomatic efforts to uphold the nuclear non-proliferation treaty;
European arrest warrant;
cross border policing to combat human trafficking, arms and drug smuggling;
counter terrorism intelligence;
European civil and military co-operation in post-conflict zones in Europe and Africa;
support for democracy and human rights across Europe and beyond;
investment across Europe contributing to better living standards and educational, social and cultural capital.

All of this is nothing compared with its greatest achievements: the EU has for 60 years been the foundation of peace between European neighbours after centuries of bloodshed.

It furthermore assisted the extraordinary political, social and economic transformation of 13 former dictatorships, now EU members, since 1980.

Now the union faces major challenges brought on by neoliberal economic globalisation, and worsened by its own systemic weaknesses. It is taking measures to overcome these.

You in the UK should reflect on whether our net contribution of £7bn out of total government expenditure of £695bn is good value. We must play a full part in enabling the union to be a force for good in a multi-polar global future.

Simon Sweeney, University of York
 
The Pyrry - 27/5/2016 19:01

I think we will have to agree to disagree
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That's fair enough if you've read the facts. Something the Brexit campaign have given very little (if anything) of.
 
Officemonkey - 27/5/2016 16:04

The Pyrry - 27/5/2016 14:35

Certainly leave. We as a country need to control our borders and self govern without the European Human Rights etc that can overturn decisions made within our borders. Too much money is spent on foreign aid. The concessions Cameron got from the EU when on his trip months ago are worthless. I hope the result is a leave and a domino effect starts.
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Borders and immigration policy will not change due to Shengen agreement. Next.
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We are not party to shengen. Next
 
Officemonkey - 27/5/2016 19:20

The Pyrry - 27/5/2016 19:01

I think we will have to agree to disagree
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That's fair enough if you've read the facts. Something the Brexit campaign have given very little (if anything) of.
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Its not that mate, anyone can quote whoever for or against has you have, but i am sure for every champion of remaining there is another voicing his facts for leaving.
Big business is split certainly the FTSE 100 is, poloticians and economists. along with the average joe public.
We are currently in the EU and have all the things that you previously outlined above, a victory for the Brexit campaign does not mean all that would vanish. We would be in a position to pick and choose which of those laws / legislation are a positive for the country and its inhabitants. Pretty sure there are some laws passed by them that we as a country would love to abolish. Oh and the upcoming EU army what a joke !!!! The money we as a country hand over to the EU everyday could be spent to offset what tariffs/ levys we receive already for farmers say or enticing big businees to stay in the UK in the way of more competitive taxes / intrests etc.

as i say agree to disagree
 
I'm quite surprised there are still a few undecided but fair enough - not a crime! The fact is there are risks either way and you just got to go with what you feel, as much as what you believe, to be correct.
 
Regarding the EU army... http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/27/is-there-a-secret-plan-to-create-an-eu-army
 
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