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Britain will ban the sale of all new gasoline and diesel cars starting in 2040 as part of the government’s plan to reduce air pollution and copy France. The strategy, fronted by U.K. environment secretary Michael Gove and transport secretary Chris Grayling, would not only ban the future sale of internal combustion engines, but also provide a governmental incentive program similar to the United States’ Car Allowance Rebate System — colloquially known as “cash for clunkers.”

Because, as you know, nothing is better for the environment (or the used car market) than populating scrapyards with fully functional automobiles and having factories across the globe expend extra energy to replace them.

“We can’t carry on with diesel and petrol cars,” Gove told British television audiences on Wednesday. “There is no alternative to embracing new technology.”

That’s doubly true, as the government was ordered in April to publish stringent new plans to tackle air pollution after the British high court rejected attempts by ministers to delay the policy until after the general election. Much of the U.K. believes it’s in the midst of a pollution crisis believed to be responsible for over 40,000 premature deaths every year.

However, pushing through legislation that makes EVs mandatory may be pointless. Manufacturers are already scaling down engine sizes and adopting hybridized powertrains to meet existing emissions guidelines. Volvo wants to make all of its vehicles hybrids or purely electric within a couple of years, Mercedes-Benz has begun widely adopting mild-hybrid systems, and practically every other automaker is investing heavily in battery development. The 2040 ban could be redundant by the time companies stand to face penalties.

That said, the 2040 deadline could be unrealistic if adoption progress more slowly. However, British demand for electrically powered vehicles grew a whopping 40 percent in 2015. While that only amounts to about 2.5 percent of the total market, it accounted for around 50,000 registrations in the final quarter of 2015. The number has nearly doubled by the first quarter of 2017 as EV market share closes in on 5 percent.
 
As the article says, I would fully expect this to be pointless. We'll have far better alternatives by then. You'll still be able to drive old fashioned guzzlers, although it will probably cost a fortune to run.

I know a couple of people with electric cars. They have limitations, but the drive is excellent. Once they sort out the range, and possibly shrink down battery sizes, they'll be a viable alternative.

Mind you, the Government will have to ensure we have the infrastructure to charge the buggers. Lamp posts are likely to become charging points!!!
 
A friend of mine has an electric car too, it's the business.

Although not so great when his battery went halfway to Cork for another friends wedding because he couldn't get to a charging point. He finally turned up after missing the whole ceremony lol.

Still a few creases to be ironed out for sure.
 
Think there's a conspiracy here somewhere with price of petrol/diesel/electricity for cars. Hmmmm. Sure there's a conspiracy thread somewhere.

What happened to hydrogen powered cars - is that still a thing?
 
The Fear - 27/7/2017 02:38

Interesting but all this is only going to work if things are done globally.

Doe's anyone think America is going to give up its car culture?

Cars, Motor Cycles, Guns and sleeping with your relatives none of these will be stopped by 2040 in the good old US of A

 
lewis1980 - 27/7/2017 00:16

Think there's a conspiracy here somewhere with price of petrol/diesel/electricity for cars. Hmmmm. Sure there's a conspiracy thread somewhere.

What happened to hydrogen powered cars - is that still a thing?

Hydrogen was very expensive to produce, but a team recently pioneered a method for a tenth of the price. Now, they gave to sort out safety issues surrounding the transporting of Hydrogen.

I'm hopeful, but we'll see!!
 
I started a thread on a similar topic a few months ago. Tesla have started production on the Model 3. It's the first electric car to be practical and affordable. I believe that more electric cars will be sold than ICE cars by 2022. As usual, I think the government are way behind the curve on this.
 
I'll take a guess now and say if the technology isn't viable on a mass scale by 2035 the government at the time will simply decide overturn the future ban. If the technology is viable the law will be redundant because everyone would have transitioned over to electric vehicles anyway.
 
HeathfieldRoad1874 - 28/7/2017 04:44

Any thoughts on how they're going to replace the revenue they get from petrol and diesel?

Benefit cuts and more taxes on those who can least afford it?
 
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Were you always so cynical, or is this a recent development?

There are a number of obstacles, and this is one. The other is the supply of rare metals used in the batteries. 85% of them are in China. They also cause massive pollution to mine and process.

So much to sort out before we're there.
 
HeathfieldRoad1874 - 27/7/2017 19:58

:1: :1: :1: :1:

Were you always so cynical, or is this a recent development?

There are a number of obstacles, and this is one. The other is the supply of rare metals used in the batteries. 85% of them are in China. They also cause massive pollution to mine and process.

So much to sort out before we're there.

Donald Trump cant agree with the rest of the world so it wont even be considered by America for at least another 10 years.
 
By 2040 that nutter in N. Korea will have pushed the button and there will be no need for cars of any type.
 
HeathfieldRoad1874 - 27/7/2017 19:44

Any thoughts on how they're going to replace the revenue they get from petrol and diesel?

Same way that we were sold the dream that Diesel cars would be cheaper and cleaner. Diesel wasn't cheaper for long was it.

Weirdly it is cheaper Ireland or has been when i've bothered to check prices when there - i think it's subsidised but one of our Irish comrades may be able confirm that.

They'll just increase the price of juicing up the electric cars. It'll start out as a cheaper alternative and the prices will increase as petrol/diesel cars are replaced and we have no alternative.
 
HeathfieldRoad1874 - 27/7/2017 06:44


Hydrogen was very expensive to produce, but a team recently pioneered a method for a tenth of the price. Now, they gave to sort out safety issues surrounding the transporting of Hydrogen.

I'm hopeful, but we'll see!!

I remember watching a programme about hydrogen powered cars years ago and expected to see them on the road by now. I think there are a few hydrogen cars available aren't there?

Don't Toyota have one?

Maybe that's where the competition will come from which will keep prices low;

Petrol V Diesel
Electric v Hydrogen
 
By 2040 won't we all be harnessing the extra terrestrial technology that will be appearing once the fact that the governments have disclosed such things are real which is seriously nearly going to happen.
No really it is.

Either that or the pixie people living in the centre of the earth will be chauffering us around in their little pixie cars powered by pixie dust.

Or, now this is a bit unlikely I know, but by 2040 like the royal family we are all lizards and we won't need cars as lizards clearly can't drive. And we can run quicker on four legs anyway.
 
Melon Donkey - 28/7/2017 00:07

By 2040 won't we all be harnessing the extra terrestrial technology that will be appearing once the fact that the governments have disclosed such things are real which is seriously nearly going to happen.
No really it is.

Either that or the pixie people living in the centre of the earth will be chauffering us around in their little pixie cars powered by pixie dust.

Or, now this is a bit unlikely I know, but by 2040 like the royal family we are all lizards and we won't need cars as lizards clearly can't drive. And we can run quicker on four legs anyway.


You're in the wrong thread Melon, but all your points are completely valid.

Except for the last point, don't be so ridiculous.

Lizards CAN drive!!
 
The old refs song 'You don't know what you're doing' immediately springs to mind. Start now by getting all those smoky joe vans, buses and diesels off the road - crush them.