Electronic Cigarettes

BBJ

Father Of The Forum
I've just said this on Facebook -
"I've just heard of a young guy who was using an electronic cigarette last night and ingested some of the liquid gel stuff out of it. Apparently this can cause the heart to stop (!) so his family rushed him to A & E. Thankfully it is turning out to be not too bad but they kept him in overnight. He had burned his throat with the liquid and they want to be sure it did not swell up and cause problems for him breathing."

Scary, eh?
 
not much difference from a real cigarette then really? just that the damage it does to you is different.
 
1 in how many I would say has had a problem?. Yes there have been a few injuries and 1 death. That was with total misuse. If your going to make another battery fit onto the battery for the e-cig and wonder why it blew up, is 1 example of what happened to a user, then you missed the marbles boat.

As for this guy, he must have swallowed it (drunk some) and it sounds deliberately so, as you can't swallow it, accidentally.

You might occasionally get a taste of the liquid in your mouth, if you haven't cleaned the mouth piece regularly. It's a taste. You wash it out by gargling.

As usual these things are reported without the correct facts. It isn't possible to do what he has done, unless it's on purpose. There are very clear instructions with.

Yes I am pro as it is the only way we would have stayed stopped smoking. We still use it, all be it only occasionally now.
 
This was not a sensational report in a tabloid, kefkat. His mum is someone I know. He is a young fellow so, yes, he might have done something a bit daft. I have never smoked so my knowledge of these devices is very limited but I just wonder if the manufacturers could make them a little more idiot-proof?
I have a cousin who is off real cigarettes for 5 months now as a result of using e-ciggies so her experience is quite like yours, I imagine.
 
I think that there is quite a big difference in the build quality of these e-cigarettes. I can see some regulation coming in. I have a friend who bought one that leaked, and he ingested some of the liquid. He changed to a different brand, and has had no problem since.

I would suggest people do some research before buying one, and see which have the better reviews.

My personal experience is that I now know so many people who use these, it would be foolish to discourage it. We need more data to establish whether they are harmful or not, but surely even if that harm is less than cigarettes then we have to allow it?
 
HeathfieldRoad1874 - 2/9/2014 13:48

I think that there is quite a big difference in the build quality of these e-cigarettes. I can see some regulation coming in. I have a friend who bought one that leaked, and he ingested some of the liquid. He changed to a different brand, and has had no problem since.

I would suggest people do some research before buying one, and see which have the better reviews.

My personal experience is that I now know so many people who use these, it would be foolish to discourage it. We need more data to establish whether they are harmful or not, but surely even if that harm is less than cigarettes then we have to allow it?

Good point Heath. Yes quality of brand does make a difference too. I have had alot of people say oh I tried e-cig and it was horrible. When I asked which one they tried I wasn't surprised. Pay cheap and you will get cheap rubbish.

We went with a company called Totally Wicked which the tobacconist in York had introduced. They were the only place doing them, in York, at the time.

Were they expensive: Depends how you look at it. It cost a weeks smoking money each to set up, which we spent anyway. After the that it is down to the liquid, how much you use and the odd part to buy like a new battery.

Liquid varies in price as they often have offers. As I say to people, if you buy Mayfair you will get cheap rubbish. if you buy a 'quality' brand like B & H you will get a 'quality' smoke. Please note the inverted comma's. Smoking having quality is an ironic thing to put together.

Average 20 mg bottle is about £9-00. That will cost someone using it everyday in the beginning about £9-00 a fortnight. Over time it goes down.

If we buy a bottle every 4 months, that is it. Like I said still use it, on and off. Football times is the main. Not much though.

Yes Heath is correct re not down playing it. There is 1 million plus using e cigs in The U.K. That is 1 million plus not using the NHS for smoking related. Even if 1 or 2 a year use it with e-cigs for whatever reason, it is a drop in the ocean in comparison.

It is costing the government money though in tax so they like any bad publicity and play it up.


Even though smokers pay for their own NHS costs and more with what is on on tax.

I couldn't go back to traditional cigarettes now. Vile, absolutely, vile.

My Doctor and a Doctor friend, plus a medical librarian who is a friend all say nicotine is about as harmful as caffeine.

They would rather that. They are also now recommended in the N.I.C.E guidelines (National Institute for Health) They are recommended in the sense of whilst they haven't been tried and tested by them, they are an option that Doctor's shouldn't be against, as if they help the person stop, cut down then that is all for the good
 
I wondered how long it would take before the health risks of these things would start to come out.

Not long it seems. They'll end up as bad or nearly as bad, people shouldn't be looking to put crap like this into their systems.

kefkat, people used to say it was only one person dead, injured or affected, then two, then ... etc about cigarettes, in fact at one stage it was claimed they were good for you.

Nowt so blind as folks, they'll buy anything.
 
Like I said NICE guidelines aren't against them. There is regulation and testing coming in over them. We we will take it from there.

As Heath says it is looking at the quality etc. of the e-cig brand you buy that makes a difference.

I don't cough, splutter, make myself ill today. I don't smell of smoke, or put risk on others with nicotine only, so that is for the good. Besides I don't use it alot anymore, nor does Mr K, so it has worked for us and if it works then what's the problem. It's worked for 2 and a half years so

The people who have been injured haven't used the product properly and this 1 has Heath say sounds like a cheap make. From the point of cheapness causing this then yes getting them tested and regulated is no bad thing
 
Guidelines weren't against fags either.

Nor amphetimes, cocaine or heroin, all developed and used in medicines.

 
They didn't have guideline in the health service like they to do today back then..
 
The Fear - 2/9/2014 14:15

I wondered how long it would take before the health risks of these things would start to come out.

Not long it seems. They'll end up as bad or nearly as bad, people shouldn't be looking to put crap like this into their systems.

kefkat, people used to say it was only one person dead, injured or affected, then two, then ... etc about cigarettes, in fact at one stage it was claimed they were good for you.

Nowt so blind as folks, they'll buy anything.

I know you understand it is not that easy. Addiction is a powerful thing.

I am not advocating people who don't smoke should start on one of these, but surely if they aren't as bad as actual tobacco then it's a start to quitting?

Lots of research to be done, but worth giving them a chance, I think.
 
Latest news is that the young fellow concerned has first-degree burns of the throat and stomach.
 
we shall see as these things develop. Potentially as a way of coming off, yes. Time will tell I guess.

And yes, interesting watching an interview by Ronnie Wood the other day (sky catch up, south bank show, some good interviews) he said fags are the hardest of all the drugs he's taken to quit.

And legal still why!?

Or to put it another way, why are the drugs that I might want to take, which are less addictive and would help several of my symptoms, illegal!?

Corruption !
 
kefkat - 2/9/2014 15:21
I don't smell of smoke, or put risk on others with nicotine only, so that is for the good.


I heard on the radio yesterday that someone is now starting to research the effects of "passive smoking of e-cigarettes". There is concern that what people exhale may still be harmful, especially given that many/most use them in places and around people that they would never have smoked trsditional cigarettes.

One thing is for sure, just like any product that we put into our bodies (including food and drinks) there should be regulation and standards set.

 
kefkat - 2/9/2014 15:10

They didn't have guideline in the health service like they to do today back then..

They might not have published everything for the hard of learning nanny state generations like everything seems to be done now, but of course they had guidelines and advice.

They were wrong then, they could well be wrong now. They often are you know? Some make a lot of money being backed by drug companies as you all surely realise, conflict of interest?

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replaced one addiction with something else people will use as a crutch no doubt BBJ/VOTN. If used to come off something great, but to use as a replacement? Unbelievable to me.

But people will literally swallow anything it seems.

They should legalise everything and let us all make the choices and shut all of those of us who make the choices out of using the NHS.

Simples! :22:
 
oh and I can confirm I've turned down numerous approaches to advertise e ciggies.

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Analysis of the ingredients show that the e-cigarettes have levels of harmful chemicals on a par with Gum and Patches. This is many hundreds of times lower than in real cigarettes.

So far all the negative press comes with no proof.

Obviously, it is better to not use any of these things, but if you are looking to reduce the risks or quit, then they look a reasonable bet.
 
If I was gonna smoke I think I would go for some nice Golden Virginia in a nice Rizla.