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ECHR N/G

Possibly going by what’s been said today. What’s the process of leaving do you know? Can the govt just do it unilaterally or does it have to be passed by parliament?
 
Are we opting out altogether? I haven't read anything recently but previously, I understood we were just looking at removing it from criminal legislation 🤔
 
PuB said:
Possibly going by what’s been said today. What’s the process of leaving do you know? Can the govt just do it unilaterally or does it have to be passed by parliament?
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Nobby_66 said:
Are we opting out altogether? I haven't read anything recently but previously, I understood we were just looking at removing it from criminal legislation 🤔
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I really don't know much about it , but the govt is making noises.
The Tories are facing huge pressure from an increasingly frustrated public.
 
I seem to remember there being some controversy surrounding it coming into British law. It was whilst Tony Blair was PM and there were mutterings about how much money Cherie could make (as a barrister, specialising in Human Rights cases) but all feels a bit hazy.
There have been a few times during Tory governments when they have spoken about "getting rid".
Not sure how easy it is though, any easier now were not in the EU?🤔😉
 
PuB said:
The ECHR was called for (and I believe he helped to set it up), by Mr Churchill.

Nowt to do with Blair, the left or the EU.

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/what...nd-why-does-it-trump-british-justice-12634344
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Appreciate that, it was a "thing" for years (it was actually signed in Rome in 1950) but was made an act in law in 1998 and came into force in 2000. Many PMs may have spoken about wanting it, just have some (Cameron and May for example which is ironuc when it is a very "Tory" act) have spoken about opting out but it was during Blairs time that it came into force in this country.

The EU comment was a joke hence the 😉
 
It comes as no surprise that this Tory government wants to get rid of this legislation regarding human rights.

Thankfully it won't be that easy for then to do this. It is written into the Good Friday agreement. Leave the ECHR and the fragile peace agreement will be left in tatters.

Will this Tory government undo all the fantastic work of Mo Mowlam in achieving peace simply to be able to disregard human rights? They're such utter scum it's imaginable that they'll try. But personally, I don't fancy their chances of succeeding.

valenciagill said:
Buddha's 'spineless left' ?
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They're not my Left.

The Left in this country have always suffered from the influence of bourgeois liberals and Marxists. Such individuals might have noble intentions but their privilege means they have no real experience of poverty or discrimination. The Labour Party were fucked up by the Fabien Society (that's a joke for those who know their history!) The closest this country has ever come to a revolution was the 1926 General Strike, and even that failed because of middle class scabs.

So yeah, in many occasions the Left have failed to create real change because of the influence of "spineless" middle class liberals who are more interested in identity politics than they are in creating revolution or even reform.

But that's not to say that the Left have had no positive impact upon our society. Without them we wouldn't have the weekend or the NHS.

Being spineless ain't something to be proud of but it is infinitely preferable to being heartless.
 
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valenciagill said:
I really don't know much about it , but the govt is making noises.
The Tories are facing huge pressure from an increasingly frustrated public.
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You're right, you don't know much. You know a little. You seem confused.

You have correctly identified that the Tories are facing huge pressure from an increasingly frustrated public. They are facing that pressure because the public are increasingly frustrated with this Tory government.

I'm pleased Johnson won (ha ha!) his vote of confidence. He is tearing his Party apart. Hopefully by the time he's finished the Tories will be unelectable for at least a decade.

Have you heard? Johnson's ethics advisor, Lord Geidt, has resigned. Just like his predecessor did not so long ago. Can't be an easy job, attempting to be an ethics advisor to a man who has no decency or honesty whatsoever. Who will be next? Or will he just abandon the idea of ethics altogether, not just in practice but theory too?
 
jogills said:
Why would they withdraw, it's one of the jokers they can play when they are troubled by bad headlines. Wedge politics is all that's left.
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They won't, they probably can't. But if they could and they did, we'd be in the company of Russia and Belarus. That'd be nice, wouldn't it?!
 
We have High Courts, an Appeals Court and a Supreme Court with the most eminent judges and best legal practitioners in the world who fully understand our legal system. Why do we need another level of appeal above that? Especially as the judges involved at the ECHR are less experienced and eminent and know less about our law than our own. Why should a someone from Estonia not legally qualified, which I understand one of the ECHR judges was one the Rwanda case, overrule the decision of our Supreme Court judges?

We don’t need the ECHR - our own appeal process is sufficient, has a enough levels and is ultimately decided by the most experienced and knowledgeable legal minds, so should ditch the ECHR ASAP.
 
SteveTreacle said:
We have High Courts, an Appeals Court and a Supreme Court with the most eminent judges and best legal practitioners in the world who fully understand our legal system. Why do we need another level of appeal above that? Especially as the judges involved at the ECHR are less experienced and eminent and know less about our law than our own. Why should a someone from Estonia not legally qualified, which I understand one of the ECHR judges was one the Rwanda case, overrule the decision of our Supreme Court judges?

We don’t need the ECHR - our own appeal process is sufficient, has a enough levels and is ultimately decided by the most experienced and knowledgeable legal minds, so should Dutch the ECHR ASAP.
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That's what the Russian and Belarusian governments say too...
 
It's almost funny how the UK wants a battle with everyone and points the finger of blame everywhere but where the problem actually is.
If Patel and co hadn't so soured relations with our closest neighbours we could then spent our £millions where the problem actually is. France, Belgium and Holland are where the most trafficking gangs operate. In a world where we might actually work with our neighbours we could easily install a beefed up border force with the right funding to infiltrate and take down these criminals. Secondly properly fund a legal route for those seeking UK asylum (Done in a matter of weeks for Ukranians!). This removes the need to risk life (and life savings) on crossing a treacherous Channel. The process filters out those who are pure economic migrants who can then either be returned or put to work as required.
The Rwandan distraction does nothing to stop the traffickers or the flow of little rubber boats.
 
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