E cigs and Vaping Just As Bad

The Fear

The Fear

A Wise Man (once sat next to him)
As I predicted a few years back...!

https://www.menshealth.com/health/new-york-bans-vaping-ecigarettes-smoking?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=Social&utm_term=1125718855&utm_campaign=Men%27s%20Health

Not only do they look ridiculous but as I predicted a few years back, these things will prove to be just as bad, or damn near it, as cigarettes. Shame so many have jumped on the bandwagon, it's even considered 'trendy' amongst the youngsters so I'm told... by a youngster no less!
 
Yeah, always too good to be true wasn't it.

I've never trusted any quitting smoking products anyway because there's nicotine in them. And most are made by the tobacco companies. It's just another vehicle in which to get the nicotine in to you.

 
I used Zyban for a while. It did help me stop smoking but it had serious effects on my mood so I stopped.
 
Again, if the Gov were serious about stopping smoking there would be a staged cut in addictive substances allowed.

But smokers and drinkers fund the NHS with tax, that's why it's never taken seriously.

E-cigs aren't a great option, but they are a better option.

Shouldn't be the only option though.

Same as the whole sugar tax idea, instead of punishing the consumer who has become adjusted to the Gov letting companies get away with filling food with shit, hit the companies and force them every 12 months to make food healthier or flat stop, if they don't make the deadline for improvement, it's not legally sellable.

Consumers palates will change in turn - everyone wins.
 
Sasquatch - 26/10/2017 02:02

I used Zyban for a while. It did help me stop smoking but it had serious effects on my mood so I stopped.
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As far as I'm aware it doesn't contain nicotine and as such isn't part of the problem and might well be part of the solution.

 
I liked the plan to set an age limit and make it illegal for anyone born after that date to smoke.

So say anyone born after 2010 can't buy fags and slowly phase them out.

Sadly it will never happen and people will continue to kill themselves, throwing away the god given health they were born with. :21:
 
Not sure your right in saying they are just as bad as fags per se JF as I understand it they are still not sure and probably won't be until someone becomes seriously ill who has only ever vaped.
This subject is a very painful one for me as some of you will know I lost my wife last year at the age of 50 through lung cancer and the strain she had was 100% caused by smoking.
However JF where I do think E-Cigs are every bit as bad as cigs are with my missus she tried all the E-Cigs but she just could not give up the fags so what she would do is buy a packet of fags along with her oils.Now I would never allow her to smoke in the house as I detest smoking so she would have to go outside so basically now she was still having a fag but whilst in the house she was constantly puffing on her pipe.Which in essence she was now smoking double or even treble to what she was in the first place.
 
Well like I say for what I have witnessed is that it didn't become a substitute it became an addition which surely had to add to the problem.
However now they have been banned from public places it will hopefully eradicate that problem.
 
yeah, agreed... shame as it looked at the start it was a solution for those trying to give up.

Oh and also, you are right (I don't think I've ever said that before :3: ) I'd said near as damn in the post but not in the thread title.

Then again, if they are starting to kill, then they are shite really.

Sad these killing things are able to be sold and are fixed to get people addicted.
 
HAHA JF there's a first for everything but yeah when they first came out I really hoped they were the answer having spent years trying to get Marie to pack in and having hundreds if not thousands of arguments over it.But the truth of the matter is by the time the E-Cigs came out even if they had been the miracle cure it would have probably been too late for Marie.
But yeah it will be interesting to see how it all pans out.
 
I am not decrying this article JF however I am not in total agreement with it. This is what NYC is doing.

NICE guidelines in this country for The NHS advocate E-Cigs now as a way to give up. They are considered 95% safe. Leaving 5% for long term effects.

The business of the diacetyl has been raised before. If the diacetyl is used in correct manufacturing then it poses limited risk. There are ofcourse many companies jumping on the bandwagon with e-cigs.

Diacetyl has been found in cheaper brands of e-liquid. It is not an issues in the registered manufacturers who stick to safe guidelines. The problem is some companies are using higher levels of diacetyl, than they should be, and this is where the problem comes in. It is known as pop corn lung.

Diacetyl is a chemical that is naturally present at low concentrations in a wide variety of foods such as dairy, beer, coffee, honey and fruits. So it is not just about diacetyl

I am not saying they are completely safe. I am saying that there is not enough long term research with them.

I used them to stop. Many of my friends and family have too.
 
Just for the record, this is what e-liquids contain in varying degrees, of ''safety limits'' depending on the manufacturer

E-Liquid. E-liquid is the mixture used in vapor products such as e-cigarettes and generally consists of propylene glycol, glycerin, water, nicotine, and flavorings. While the ingredients vary the liquid typically contains 95% propylene glycol and glycerin.

All of the ingredients of e-juice are used in some shape or capacity in varying food and drinks
 
And it appears now new evidence is coming out. Cigarettes were once billed as being healthy.
 
Personally, I think it's too soon to tell. All the studies quoted are on such a small scale, 15 in the main one quoted, they don't provide proper proof if anything. Given that many of the participants admitted to still smoking the odd cigarette, you really can't say the negative results are caused by e cigarettes.

Cancer Research UK still say "Some studies have found chemicals in e-cigarette vapour that are known to cause health problems. But these studies have tended to use artificial conditions, and when good quality e-cigarettes are used normally (e.g. not overheated), there are far fewer harmful chemicals present in the vapour than in tobacco smoke. If the e-liquid is being overheated it tends to produce an acrid, unpleasant taste – you’ll know if this happens."
 
Would be better for people not to be sheep and take up such ridiculous habits in the first place. Why take the risk with your health smoking shite that you don't need to?
 
Oh and they look ridiculous.

People, it appears, really are dumb and will jump on any bandwagon they are told to.

(Excluding those using these to give up smoking, not those giving up smoking and replacing it with another habit)
 
I agree totally. I've never even taken a drag if a cigarette. I've never seen the attraction.

To take up vaping without trying to quit smoking is just as daft as starting smoking. To get you off cigarettes, though, I've found to be successful amongst people I know.

I think it's important to say it's safer, not safe.
 
HeathfieldRoad1874 - 28/10/2017 10:09

To take up vaping without trying to quit smoking is just as daft as starting smoking. To get you off cigarettes, though, I've found to be successful amongst people I know.
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Yup, totally my point.

Also, safer not safe. I'd rather say it's bad, just not quite as bad.

No point using the word safe or safer for this sort of junk.

That's before you throw in the reports of them exploding and the awful picture of people who have burns from these things!
 
Unfortunately smoked for 40 years!! Gave up 1 and 1/2 years ago. Couldn't have done it without vaping. Use nicotine free liquid based around glycerine. Can't help but believe that it is the less harmful option. No combustion means no tar or harmful additives clogging your lungs. Time for some scientific analysis as very little has been conducted.
 
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