Dyche out

Now after P company some lunatics then go for SF selection and pass rates are probably close to 10%

And one of the key factors in SF is mental strength, to push through.

So you get levels of fitness, but you cannot say our guys want to win… that simply isn’t the case in recent performances. As we e said many times, you can be outplayed by better teams, but you should never be outworked. Somewhere along the way we lost our fight and grit. Players have blamed training too hard and manager.,, so they have now painted themselves into a corner, they need to perform or be shown to be the lazy gutless pricks they’ve become

Interesting times ahead for sure


Yes, I recall going to watch The Major compete in a boiled egg eating contest, at a cafe just off the A1.

We had been asked to rendezvous at the Nottingham Knight at 4am. The contest was in Stamford at 10am and The Major wanted one last team meeting before getting stuck in.

I pulled into.the car park at 03:57. Bunnies froze as they were trapped in the headlights of my Skoda Rapide. I pulled up next to.the dilapidated Ford Transit that The Major had been living in for the last 7 weeks, I lit a menthol cigarette, and step out into the fresh morning air.

The Major, who I had caught a glimpse of when I pulled into the car park, was finishing his final sprint lap.

"Morning Major" I shouted over to him as he slowed to a jog.

""morning frog lips" came the reply "ready to destroy the enemy"

The enemy. That days enemy, was a portly Greek man, with a reputation for having a ravenous egg appetite. The Major was very confident that he was going to win. He had banned us from using the word "if" for the past 7 weeks. Saying it in any conversation and you would find yourself the wrongside of a ball strike.

The Major was incredibly quick. His reaction speed had been honed in SF, as had his appetite for eggs.
 
Yes, I recall going to watch The Major compete in a boiled egg eating contest, at a cafe just off the A1.

We had been asked to rendezvous at the Nottingham Knight at 4am. The contest was in Stamford at 10am and The Major wanted one last team meeting before getting stuck in.

I pulled into.the car park at 03:57. Bunnies froze as they were trapped in the headlights of my Skoda Rapide. I pulled up next to.the dilapidated Ford Transit that The Major had been living in for the last 7 weeks, I lit a menthol cigarette, and step out into the fresh morning air.

The Major, who I had caught a glimpse of when I pulled into the car park, was finishing his final sprint lap.

"Morning Major" I shouted over to him as he slowed to a jog.

""morning frog lips" came the reply "ready to destroy the enemy"

The enemy. That days enemy, was a portly Greek man, with a reputation for having a ravenous egg appetite. The Major was very confident that he was going to win. He had banned us from using the word "if" for the past 7 weeks. Saying it in any conversation and you would find yourself the wrongside of a ball strike.

The Major was incredibly quick. His reaction speed had been honed in SF, as had his appetite for eggs.
Yes, and the Major would have won that hands down if it were not for that devious bubble hiding the eggs in his crombie.

It left him a broken man.

He was always one to laugh in the face of adversity but it came far too soon after that incident in Belfast when Gerry and Martin stole the hub caps off of his Jeep.

His colleagues in Hereford would not let him hear the last of it.

It was all downhill from thereon in.

He retired his commission from all Forums and sailed off into the sunset and his Facebook account.
 
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This is really disingenuous

Because, for all the nonsense about Dyche-lovers and what they will supposedly say when we go down, those that hated Dyche from the start will do the same from day one of this random new guy

We lose at Fenerbahce? Tough place to go, he had no time, not his fault

Lose to Liverpool? To be expected

Fail to beat Fenerbahce at home? Because of the away leg, a shame but we need to concentrate on the league anyway

Lose at Brighton? Hard away game, not his fault

Lose at Man City? Expected

Fail to beat Fulham? Bogey team

Lose at Spurs? Hard place to go, new manager bounce for them

Lose to Villa- they are a good side, but we are basically down already anyway, and it's all Sean Dyche's fault

End of the season, we finish 18th, 7-8 points adrift

Finally people will admit Peirera was shit, but caveat it with "he wasn't as shit as Dyche" even if the actual PPG doesn't support that

This is 100% how it will go

It could go like that. I dont think it will. But if we did lose 4 or 5 early on I think EM will pull trigger again. Fans would certainly be chanting "sacked in the morning" again. He will get zero patience to come good.

From a positive point of view Im thinking its possible we scrape results we need to stay up and the usual fans say he clearly needs to go at the end of the season as hes not good enough for us

I see no scenario where we get good enough results for fans to want him to stay.

Not based on him as the manager but based on my thoughts on the squad

If we stay up we are losing players, and will most be likely far closer to battling relegation again rather than top 6

So we are going to see plenty more managers come and go

Would love to feel more positive. But at least Ive not ruled out staying up just yet
 
Except we were 3 points off 16th, 2 points off 17th, 7 points off 12th when Dyche took over.

22 from 18 under Dyche, leaving us 3 points above the bottom three (rather than 2 points and five goals short of safety). Quite a big improvement in a relegation battle.

We need 12 to 14 points from 12 games to stay up I think

Puts us on 39 to 41 points

Which is less points per game than Dyche was delivering

West Ham picking up points spooked everyone.
 
That's all fair enough Will, but you are not the only person who posts on this forum, and there are plenty of others who absolutely WILL do exactly as I have described to fit their narrative and say they "called it".

I mean, we still have some clowns defending Postecoglou because it fits their narrative of hating Dyche.

As for Dyche, I personally did not feel the team lacked that belief that you have described as a fact. Not pulling rank here, but remember I do go to all the home games. I see the body language a lot more than most on here with their giant satellite dishes or dodgy fire sticks.

From my perspective, it's only a game or so since they destroyed Ferencevaros. It's only a game since they were cruising against Palace (I know you dispute that, but I am as pessimistic a fan as you will find and I was supremely comfortable that we were going to win that until the red card). Leeds was terrible, but the last terrible game I personally saw live was Everton way back in December.

So I dispute that.

What I don't dispute is that the players, when behind, lacked imagination and strategies to unlock a defence and get back into the game against a team willing to defend deep. I think most sides struggle against that, we struggled under Nuno too- but I DO accept that it is the manager's responsibility to coach patterns of play and work on those solutions.

I DO accept that Nuno, with his little triangles, was a lot better at this than Dyche

I DO accept that we lost our counterattacking ability under Dyche. In fairness, we lost it under Postecoglou, along with our defensive ability. We got the latter back under Dyche but not the former. What we were left with was Nuno's side, minus the ability to counterattack, hence why we failed to pull away.

I DO accept also that, if there is any truth to any of the rumours that he lost the dressing room, ostracised certain players, or the senior players felt his methods were too basic and he didn't have the answers, and said this to the owner- then yes, he had to go in any of those circumstances. These are rumours and I would like to see some facts first.

Our results were between 1.2 and 1.4 PPG, which is entirely adequate for what we need. Our last 12 fixtures are harder - and these are the games where Dyche has generally done well. Arsenal, Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Spurs- all games where we performed really well, most of them we got results from. Even Brentford were flying high and unbeaten at home for ages when we won there.

On that basis, Dyche was certainly the man to finish the season with us IF none of the rumours above were true. Like I say, I am yet to see the facts.

But my main gripe is with this absolutely appalling appointment. Given the kinds of games we have in our last 1/3 of the season, it's even worse. Pereira has a shocking record against these kinds of sides. He has only one game against the kind of side he was ok at beating (last season, not this) with Wolves.

Let's not pretend that this fact was looked at. It took me 5 minutes on Google to look that up and express that concern. I seriously, seriously doubt that anyone at the club was aware of that or even looked it up. I doubt in this case there was any serious discussion of merits, because you have to be considering other candidates for that.

No, I don't think this appointment has much thinking behind it at all.

I think this is Marinakis's choice. I think it has more to do with rapprochement with Jorge Mendes and the fact that he has worked with him before than it does any detailed thinking about whether his style will fit the players or whether he is the right man for the games we have left. I seriously doubt there was any discussion at all- like with Postecoglou, I suspect Marinakis literally just told everyone this was happening and to sort the logistics.

That is not the basis for survival. You deserve to be relegated if you have four managers in a season anyway, and we will be. I don't see any way out of it

It will take ages for this guy to improve our attacking, and it is extremely questionable that he even will. But it will only take him a game to make our defence far worse, and think he will certainly do that compared to Dyche

I also saw nothing in our performances to say the players didnt believe in Dyche

In a squad there will always be players pissed off with the manager. Even with smaller squads like BC had we had that. Its normal. Players often want to look outside of themselves to explain poor results

You also dont normally get owners sitting down with players to ask for feedback either. But thats what EM wants to do. I guess they can blame themselves or the manager. And it wont have been black and white regardless. EM initiates the chats not the players.

Without Elangas pace backed up by Woods best in Europe finishing we lost our counter attack threat - nothing to do with losing Nuno
 
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To be clear, of pereira is shite, I’ll call it out no problem… but I’ll at least give him a chance to let me say that like we all did Dyche

I will give you and the rest on your wavelength 6 games max before hes written off Will

And thats trying to be optimistic

Could be as little as 2 games

If it goes as bad as Pope thinks it could he wont survive til April
 
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Some interesting remarks from people who have actually been in a dressing room, talking about managers losing them:


Former Liverpool and Manchester City midfielder Steve McManaman had little interest in laying the blame at the strategic decisions when it came to Forest as he suggested that the biggest problem was with the players’ underperformance.

He said: "I personally think they should take all the blame, the players. When I played football, I would not care who my manager was. I think the players should always take the blame.

"It’s the players on the pitch passing the buck and not doing their jobs properly.

McCoist agreed, telling the group: "Do you know the worst line I’ve ever heard in football? He’s lost the dressing room. What a load of nonsense!

"When you’re taking your kit off on a Saturday at 3pm, it doesn't matter who the manager is, because you’re going out there to represent yourself, your family, your fans. That’s what it was, that’s what it was, that’s what it always should be."

Enu Aluko was unavailable for comment
 
Some interesting remarks from people who have actually been in a dressing room, talking about managers losing them:


Former Liverpool and Manchester City midfielder Steve McManaman had little interest in laying the blame at the strategic decisions when it came to Forest as he suggested that the biggest problem was with the players’ underperformance.

He said: "I personally think they should take all the blame, the players. When I played football, I would not care who my manager was. I think the players should always take the blame.

"It’s the players on the pitch passing the buck and not doing their jobs properly.

McCoist agreed, telling the group: "Do you know the worst line I’ve ever heard in football? He’s lost the dressing room. What a load of nonsense!

"When you’re taking your kit off on a Saturday at 3pm, it doesn't matter who the manager is, because you’re going out there to represent yourself, your family, your fans. That’s what it was, that’s what it was, that’s what it always should be."

Enu Aluko was unavailable for comment

Our players have run out of managers to blame

(I actually take with a pinch of salt what if anything theyve blamed Dyche for)
 
Guys….look at us….bickering……squabbling……we never used to be like this


Quote for the older cool kids in the room
First, "yes, it did."

Second, on Vital, this quote is more relevant,

Vyvyan: You have to write in 10 words what Cornflakes mean to you. So I wrote: Cornflakes. Cornflakes. Cornflakes, Cornflakes, Cornflakes. Cornflakes, Cornflakes, Cornflakes, Cornflakes.
Rick: PATHETIC. You'll never win, you know.
Vyvyan: Why not?
Rick: That's only 9 words.
Vyvyan: Oh, yeah.
[writing]
Vyvyan: Cornflakes.
 
Some interesting remarks from people who have actually been in a dressing room, talking about managers losing them:


Former Liverpool and Manchester City midfielder Steve McManaman had little interest in laying the blame at the strategic decisions when it came to Forest as he suggested that the biggest problem was with the players’ underperformance.

He said: "I personally think they should take all the blame, the players. When I played football, I would not care who my manager was. I think the players should always take the blame.

"It’s the players on the pitch passing the buck and not doing their jobs properly.

McCoist agreed, telling the group: "Do you know the worst line I’ve ever heard in football? He’s lost the dressing room. What a load of nonsense!

"When you’re taking your kit off on a Saturday at 3pm, it doesn't matter who the manager is, because you’re going out there to represent yourself, your family, your fans. That’s what it was, that’s what it was, that’s what it always should be."

Enu Aluko was unavailable for comment
I posted this podcast clip on Friday. It was very good
 
I remember listening to Guillam Baluge? Some time ago on the subject of regularly changing managers/ coaches in Europe. He pointed out that it was quite normal so hence our new man not being anyone out of the ordinary with his track record of getting around a bit. Players getting fed up with the same voice being a prime mover apparently.
 
I remember listening to Guillam Baluge? Some time ago on the subject of regularly changing managers/ coaches in Europe. He pointed out that it was quite normal so hence our new man not being anyone out of the ordinary with his track record of getting around a bit. Players getting fed up with the same voice being a prime mover apparently.
You been listening to foreigners?

What the fuck is the world coming to?

I cant fucking wait for the Golf Course to open up again.
 
Yes, I recall going to watch The Major compete in a boiled egg eating contest, at a cafe just off the A1.

We had been asked to rendezvous at the Nottingham Knight at 4am. The contest was in Stamford at 10am and The Major wanted one last team meeting before getting stuck in.

I pulled into.the car park at 03:57. Bunnies froze as they were trapped in the headlights of my Skoda Rapide. I pulled up next to.the dilapidated Ford Transit that The Major had been living in for the last 7 weeks, I lit a menthol cigarette, and step out into the fresh morning air.

The Major, who I had caught a glimpse of when I pulled into the car park, was finishing his final sprint lap.

"Morning Major" I shouted over to him as he slowed to a jog.

""morning frog lips" came the reply "ready to destroy the enemy"

The enemy. That days enemy, was a portly Greek man, with a reputation for having a ravenous egg appetite. The Major was very confident that he was going to win. He had banned us from using the word "if" for the past 7 weeks. Saying it in any conversation and you would find yourself the wrongside of a ball strike.

The Major was incredibly quick. His reaction speed had been honed in SF, as had his appetite for eggs.
Were they hard boiled eggs or soft
 
Yes, I recall going to watch The Major compete in a boiled egg eating contest, at a cafe just off the A1.

We had been asked to rendezvous at the Nottingham Knight at 4am. The contest was in Stamford at 10am and The Major wanted one last team meeting before getting stuck in.

I pulled into.the car park at 03:57. Bunnies froze as they were trapped in the headlights of my Skoda Rapide. I pulled up next to.the dilapidated Ford Transit that The Major had been living in for the last 7 weeks, I lit a menthol cigarette, and step out into the fresh morning air.

The Major, who I had caught a glimpse of when I pulled into the car park, was finishing his final sprint lap.

"Morning Major" I shouted over to him as he slowed to a jog.

""morning frog lips" came the reply "ready to destroy the enemy"

The enemy. That days enemy, was a portly Greek man, with a reputation for having a ravenous egg appetite. The Major was very confident that he was going to win. He had banned us from using the word "if" for the past 7 weeks. Saying it in any conversation and you would find yourself the wrongside of a ball strike.

The Major was incredibly quick. His reaction speed had been honed in SF, as had his appetite for eggs.
Cracking chap!
 
Some interesting remarks from people who have actually been in a dressing room, talking about managers losing them:


Former Liverpool and Manchester City midfielder Steve McManaman had little interest in laying the blame at the strategic decisions when it came to Forest as he suggested that the biggest problem was with the players’ underperformance.

He said: "I personally think they should take all the blame, the players. When I played football, I would not care who my manager was. I think the players should always take the blame.

"It’s the players on the pitch passing the buck and not doing their jobs properly.

McCoist agreed, telling the group: "Do you know the worst line I’ve ever heard in football? He’s lost the dressing room. What a load of nonsense!

"When you’re taking your kit off on a Saturday at 3pm, it doesn't matter who the manager is, because you’re going out there to represent yourself, your family, your fans. That’s what it was, that’s what it was, that’s what it always should be."

Enu Aluko was unavailable for comment
I definitely blame the players more than any of the managers , they have for the most part massively under performed. Not saying i'm ecstatic with the managers we've had but it's more the players fault for me.
 
I definitely blame the players more than any of the managers , they have for the most part massively under performed. Not saying i'm ecstatic with the managers we've had but it's more the players fault for me.
I blame Marinakis personally.
Not that everyone else escapes blame, all of our managers and most of our players have been absolute crap, but when things are going so well for us and then Marinakis decides to change everything and then immediately our results take a nosedive and we suck, it fairly clear what happened in my eyes.

Too ambitious, wanted to go too fast. We needed a good couple of years stewing in Nuno's counter attacking glory. A few months of winning games just is nowhere near enough success to transform a club.

I still love what the big man has done for the club overall, obviously.